will we get a Korean squad or at least Korean nationality for soldiers one day? There’s already a Chinese volunteer squad in the U.S. tree, even though, historically, Koreans had a much larger presence in the Pacific battles we have in enlisted. Especially in the end phase of the pacific war, when the IJA began the force-conscription of hundreds of thousands Koreans to fight especially in Okinawa, burma and guadalcanal: yet its missing in enlisted
its pretty disrespectful towards Koreans and the korean community - as said in fact the Korean participation on Japan side vs the Chinese participation within the US army is bigger. So factually if we have a Chinese squad in the US faction of Enlisted why not a Korean squad in the Japanese faction? It makes sense and is fair, especially for realism. I understand that the chinese squad was a cool reward for chinese new year and appeasment to the chinese community… yet it still feels wrong to exclude any sign of Korea in enlisted. If you can add a Chinese squad with unique skins, voices, and gear, why not give Koreans the same?
My proposal: introduce a Korean Conscript Squad under the Japanese faction, like the Gando Special Force, an ethnic Korean unit in the Manchukuo Imperial Army from 1938–45. They’d wear standard Japanese field uniforms and use existing Japanese weapons, but speak Korean and have Korean names, faces, and squad badges. Or something else, like finally a Kwantung Army style unit as there were many brainwashes korean volunteers, especially teenagers and young adults - so we can have a unqiue uniform for them too.
Maybe an event reward or something else, because the current reward for the USSR vs Japan is pretty shit… dont get me wrong the Tiger is nice but it starts to feel like WT where we just get variants of everything for every nation… yes japan bought a tiger and it never arrived irl - but do we really need a japanese tiger in enlisted?? or could we have gotten a better reward…
Well, I am sure the Koreans want to be remembered as the ones who actively fight against Japanese rule, not as merely puppet subjects. It is like asking Osttruppen to be added. No Russian dev will ever do that.
same can be said about the chinese? i doubt mainland chinese people want to be seen fighting for america instead of china. the argument doesnt make really make sense as its just about historical presentation and i even mentioned forced conscription. I think its worse to be entirely forgotten - after all this argument can be applied to anyone: would germans like seeing their people fight for the 3rd reich? and if it really is soo bad what speaks against a korean unit in the U.S. faction - not really what we need as there is so much U.S. event stuff - but at least here we can get korean representation.
also i want to add that not every korean labels Japan as the pure evil during ww2. there were many collaborators and up to today there are many “collaborators” alive - political activists which aim to harmonize the japan-korea relationship to a brother level. these activists often argue with things like "we should leave it in the past and focus on our actual threat; the dprk. this is an ongoing political issue and therefore claiming that koreans would hate seeing themselves fight for japan is a pretty biased statement. there are many documentations / entertaining movies about this issue, i recommend “remember (2022)” if you seek more knowledge. this kdrama visualizes the said political dispute.
ergo i believe that some koreans feeling triggered by seeing their people fight in japanese units isnt a valid argument about this. after all it is a game and its just about historical reference, why leave korea out of the game just because of the “evil context” they would appear?
Eh, China is a part of the Allies during WWII, so I don’t know what is the issue here. Also, you should also check the nature of Burma campaign.
So why can’t Koreans be added to Allies or Soviet? Koreans did have partisan operating in Korea and Manchuria. Why should the devs choose collaborators over actual partisans? They could easily add a Korean GO soldier to the battlepass if such representation is needed.
I haven’t never heard such sentiment overtaking in the mainstream or from any Koreans I know. It is like asking a French whether he or she wants Free France or Vichy France representation more in the game. Again, I doubt the traditional anti-colonial narrative is overtaken.
Why shouldn’t their feelings not taken into consideration?
Then show their good moments. The Free France/Vichy France example still applies.
yeah but the unit isnt part of a chinese faction or just “the allies” as you say but rather part of the U.S. - after all its fighting on battles the U.S. fought
i never said they cant, i just talked about fair representation. there were way more koreans serving in the IJA/IJN than there were chinese fighting for americans, so why is there a chinese unit before there is a korean unit or any sign of koreans when there were a ton more koreans as i stated? if we picked the koreans fighting for the allies or the resistance it would much smaller than the koreans fighting for japan again. this is all just about a fair share of historical representation
this isnt the same at all… its simply a political debate. you cant compare the issue with france as koreas situations involves important changes affecting global geopolitics. if we were to take a side and say “we wont add koreans in the japan faction because many people are against it” it is obviously politically biased - which this game shouldnt be. i already mentioned this, so why do you keep going with appeasing the majority of the population which has this anti japan stance? there are many which simply do not care or are the exact opposite. the devs shouldnt take a political side in this issue and adding koreans for the japan faction isnt biased in any way - as said its about historical representation.
why shouldnt the feeling about the other side not be taken into consideration? your statement is just politically biased again…
“good moments” is a purely biased statement. there were many volunteers fighting for japan especially in the kwantung army. many of the collaborators and their family up to this date dont shame themselves for what they did. yet how are “good moments” koreans fighting for communism? it would be disrespectful yet again and koreans in the US army were in a very small number. since the beginning of this suggestion i spoke about fair historical representation - and the koreans fighting for japan obviously outweigh any other side, like i implied with how the chinese fighting for the U.S. is way smaller than the koreans in the war. so adding communist koreans is just a biased decision, not fair representation and obviously not needed because there are so many USSR event squads. and adding allied koreans doesnt make sense either because there werent many koreans fighting for the U.S. and we already have many event squads for the U.S. this korean squad would definitely benefit japan players as there is finally some content and obviously is fair historical representation
I could never in my life foresee someone would equate collaboration armies to fair historical representation in a video game, and labels representations of actual partisans as merely political biased. Sorry buddy, this is not how relativism or a more nuanced portrayal works. You are saying as if Koreans wholeheartedly supported Japanese war effort and were treated as their own, which meant those Korean soldier would receive same equipment and training and have same morale and fighting spirit. You speak for “fair representation” but never actually think for those Korean soldiers and only treat them as mindless pawns. What message are you trying to send out by including collaboration armies in the game? How would the public precive it? You are saying as if the so-called “fair representation” does not carry a political connotation.
Are you saying U.K. is a part of U.S.?
I am sorry, what? There is a historical reason why such sentiment exists. Maybe we should all forget about holocaust and war crime and praise Fascism together. Game is game, you play for the flavor not as an actual murderous soldier.
Sorry, your logic just reminds me of actual slavery and racist apologists. Maybe you could push for “fair representation” of slavery in social media because “docile slaves” are the most numouous. Surely, it won’t cause an uproar.
Some closing thoughts, you could choose indigenous Taiwanese and Thai squads without much controversy, but Korean and Chinese cases are much more complicated.
Gam sam mi dar (sorry I dont know how to write it) for your post.
I would welcome Korea to the game. I think the Japanese faction would really benefit from Korean and Thai squads and weapons to fill out the tech tree and add more variety.
Koreans definitely were (by choice or forced) a part of the IJA. I recall in Away All Boats I think it was a Yank officer having to explain to the sailors that the sad looking POWs being loaded onto their ship were Koreans, not Japanese.
Likewise apparently the Korean guards in Japanese POW camps were some of the most brutal (perhaps trying to demonstrate their loyalty?)
Either way, yeah, I support this idea.
I’ve also suggested a number of times adding the Korean War in future as BR VI. As you likely know, almost all of the weapons in the Korean War were WWII era.
Like 95% of them are already in game. We even have jets so that issue is solved too.
I would suggest adding ‘Korea’ as a sub faction of Japan, and then for BR VI or ‘Korean War’ that just becomes North Korea. NK used a lot of WWII era Japanese weapons, as well as Soviet.
Chinese volunteers Id put under USSR and South Koreans I would add to USA-UK tech tree since they used US uniforms and equipment.
So ‘Japan’ (representing North Korea) and ‘USSR’ (representing PRC) would queue against USA-UK (as United Nations forces including South Korea, my country Australia, Canada Turkey etc.)
All we really need for Korean War are new maps. The M4A3E8 is a WWII tank that should be added anyway.
The Statue of Peace in Korea is a significant monument symbolizing the victims of sexual slavery, known as comfort women, by the Japanese military during World War II. Located in Seoul, it serves as a memorial park dedicated to these women and has become a focal point for discussions about historical injustices. The statue is often referred to as the Comfort Woman Statue and represents a broader movement for recognition and justice for the victims.
why are you not able to argue properly and keep changing the topic or throw things into my mouth? don’t you get my message?? fair historical presentation is not by forgetting that there were colaborateurs and that forces conscription was a thing but rather by indicating that they existed - a ton of them.
are you simply a communist or an ultra neolib?? what is your last statement?? so you say because modern day koreans - the growing pro japan sentiment - think the present day is more important than the past is the same as neglecting the holocaust?? wtf? how do you draw these parallels?? it is the same as if you say german people are forced to vote for far left people nowadays to show remorse. your statement doesnt make sense.
what i have been trying to tell you, all politely before you began putting words into my mouth, is that there in fact are korean people who dont think japan is the pure evil. this has nothing to do with falsifying history or claiming their past isnt bad! this simply means that people accept to move on and that japan and korea are able to overcome modern day hardships together. look at recent korea elections. it isnt appropiate to contextualize it with japan - but the improving korea and china relations obviously show that the past can be forgiven!
now what i am saying is that by representing koreans as fighters for the IJA it definitely isnt “forget about holocaust and war crime and praise Fascism together.” How does one even write this sentence? how did you manage to think i intend to spread this message with my statements? is this simply your dream and your fantasy you are putting in someone else’s name? I can’t forgive your rude behavior and your worthless arguments.
If you cant understand that representing the Chinese community and China’s history with a Chinese unit in the U.S. faction is as appropiate as representing Koreans with a Korean unit for the Japanese it is totally your issue. I want to remind you that the history is complex and their disputes arent just explained by saying “Japan was bad and korea shouldnt have reconciled with the Japanese government.” even in the Korea war the ROK and the Maritime Safety Agency (japans coast guard back then) fought hand in hand! history is complex and claiming that representing Korea’s war history with a Korean unit under the japanese faction is controverse doesnt make sense! Doing that is just indicating what happened in history!!! You are the one who tries to connect political issues and motives with the game and history - since the beginning of this suggestion i spoke about how it is fair and neutral to add koreans before the so-called chinese unit! Now i request you that you reply polite and without putting words into my mouth or just stop to think about this issue at all. how is your behavior productive?? Not a single appropiate argument from you by now besides claiming that adding koreans as communist partisans would be good. Yes but i said we have enough soviet event squads and it wouldnt be fair equal presentation yet again - like with the Chinese. Maybe you dont even read what i am typing and just make up what you want to hear?
nobody trivializes it and your information is fair. i am just saying that representing these hardships by adding koreans in the game - under the japanese faction to be historically correct (instead of adding partisan movements which were small or small volunteer units). it is just about historical representation, after all more than half a million korean men joined the IJA and its ally forces either as forced conscripts or volunteers. this immense number cant be forgotten and if we have a U.S. chinese volunteer unit to represent the chinese community nothing speaks against a Korean unit (while the Chinese fighting under the US army is obviously way less than the Koreans fighting for Korea)
This a historical game, or at best a game based on history if you want to go that route
Collaborationist groups, volunteers, conscripts, etc are fair game as a unit to be added to this game. They fought for a faction? Welcome to the faction
There are people who suggest Cossacks for both Germany and USSR. They fought on both sides
I agree. Though national opinion does matter, in this case our Korean friend strongly supports Korean ‘collaborators’ being added.
Yesterday I commented on a post suggesting Polish squad who fought alongside the Soviets and I said similar to now that I support the idea but in that instance would want to hear feedback from Polish people about how they felt about Polish squads in USSR tech tree.
Cossacks would be good.
I would like to see more regular TT representation though before partisan, collaborator, volunteer etc. groups.
Eg. We have French Resistance and Morrocan Auxillaries, where are the Free French army squads?
Perhaps Japan could have the occasional soldier with a Korean name?
I have serious doubts that the dev’s will ever add another faction, other then sub factions, which means you’re lucky if you get a choice of a correct uniform to choose from, or even a choose your nationality option.
Other then sub factions, I don’t ever see Gaijin adding a separate faction. IMOP, if they were to add a separate faction, it should be the British. The British were in the war two years solo before the US got involved (other then supplying weapons), so, they IMOP kinda deserve their own faction. However, even this will never come to pass as the Dev’s would once again say it would divide the player base.
Statistics in 1990 from japan shows there where 116,294 soldiers and 126,047 non-combatants
China have 60,000 soldiers in X-froce and 175,000 in Y-Force
On the other side
Manchukuo Imperial Army once had 200,000 soldiers
Wang Jingwei regime once had 400,000 soldiers
If BR6 comes out, which extends the campaign to the Korean War, there is a possibility that it will come out in the US Faction with a premium or event BR6 squad.
Perhaps this is the most ideal.
So I want it to expand to the Korean War soon.
This is related to the willingness of players from the relevant countries.
As least i can say for sure that Chinese players don’t want to play as a Chinese soilder in the Japanese army, though they not only exist but also far more than that in the US army.
But if our Korean friends don’t mind, we can ignore the issue of factions.
