Japan Vests

Wut? Based on what? :joy:

The Bushido code, that caused soldiers to charge US machine guns with swords. Hack up family sword to get them to army required length. The bushido code that saw soldiers and civilians rather commit suicide then surrender. Suicide aircraft and human torpedoes. Saw much of the population of the home island willing to fight with bamboo spears and black powder muzzle loaders. Anti tank weapons that amounted to a bomb on a pole or a hooked pole with a bomb. so drawing the line at antiquated armor hmm, nah i see an officer who would use the junk pistols wearing his great grandfathers armor, maybe not to fight but when about to shoot himself in the head.

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Image above.

Two questions, do you want to add damage reductions because of that kind of armour? Also, will it ruin any kind of imersion?

Sure and no, in that order.

So you want to have Japanese soldiers running around in Samurai armour or am I misunderstanding your point?

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if you want samurai armor style

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There already is.

Oke so yes then?

Well lets just agree to disagree on this one

It would be useless in BR5 since T20 can one shoot it anyways but it Will take more importance on low BR with the weak and shitty low US smgs

What are we disagreeing on? You just parachuted in, I have no idea what you are after.

Some other guy was claiming that they didn’t bring samurai armours to the front, despite clear picture evidence for it, are you also denying it? I think it’s great that players who completed last years halloween event can choose to bring 1 guy with samurai armour, to reflect those odballs that always stands out in the military (look up Mad Jack Churchill, he took a longbow into a gunfight and won). Samurai armours are way WAY more historicly accurate than Chinese in Normandy, way more accurate than King Tigers in Stalingrad, and way more accurate than Super Pershings in Burma.

More power to the players I say, and lets make the vests (or alternatives for them) from the recent premium squad accessible for everyone while the devs are at it.

Yes and there was also a guy that brought a bow to the front. Yet if every soldiers was carrying one I would not find that very realistic. Ever heard of the concept of historic resonance, it applies here.

And yes the Chinese boys kinda get me out of it, so do the haloween event things. Making it worse for no reason is very meh.

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I never claimed that every soldier should have access to samurai armour, now you’re just putting words in my mouth. I quite clearly said that it’s great that for active players to have been able to get 1 (as in singular, uno, one) such person. I get that you want an argument, but you don’t have to create a new one from thin air, I still don’t know what you’re after.

Look, if you’re arguing for “historical resonance”, you’re already acknowledging that history isn’t just a series of rigid facts, but also about the human experiences that shape it, which also include the oddities of eccentric individuals. History is full of outliers and odd decisions, and by excluding things like a Japanese officer bringing samurai armour to battle, you’re overlooking the very essence of what makes history resonate. People throughout history have made strange, personal choices that reflect the culture of their time. So, if you truly are embracing “historical resonance”, you should also have to accept that oddities, like bringing samurai armour to war are part of that, and not something to be erased.

You clearly do not know what historical resonance is lol

Its not historical accuracy

If you thought I was making an argument based on historical accuracy you either didn’t read what I wrote or just can’t read.

Hahahah lol

Mate I was reacting to your historical accuracy with the point of historical resonanceu

Including stuf because it something technically happend somewhere doen not make a game feel historical.

“Didn’t read” like mate, i just disgree

But lets just agree to disagree. Ill let you have the last word.

Edit - lol you stil dont understand :joy::joy::joy::kissing_heart::kissing_heart:

You’re not just disagreeing, you’re actively ignoring what i’ve written and inventing things that I didn’t write and now you want to cut and run, fair enough I would too in your situation.

Still, I have yet to argue any point of historical accuracy, I just pointed out that it clearly DID happen as opposed to other things that didn’t, that’s all.

You’re arguing based “historical resonance”, which is the continuity or connection that we call feel from the course of history, that certain events, actions or themes can “resonate” though time. It goes whoely against what you belive, as including these eccentric individuals in eccentric costumes and/or gear reflects both the world as we live in it today as it does the past (the entire point of historic resonance). This is something that Enlisted does a fairly good job at engaging in.

I get that you “feel” like it’s wrong, but this is one of those cases where your gut feeling is giving a false positive. Accepting samurai armour as a odity for the Japanese is the same as accepting the Pre-War K98Ks into the battle of Berlin, there likely wouldn’t be many around in the late hours of the third reich, but it could have happened, it did happen, and whatever honour guard who had been meticulously caring for his gear and equipment up until the siege, wearing a dazzling uniform of such a ceremonial position, and then going out for a last stand. Such an outfit suggest a story, which you fill in your head, it’s captivating, it’s engaging, it’s what historical resonance is all about. The same goes for the samurai armour, a armour set which was likely made in the early 19th century, what story could this soldier have? It’s fun to imagine.

i would be ok with it if it went into backpack slot. otherwise no.

i dont have problem with samurai armor being in the game, but also it shouldnt have any damage mitigation like e.g. soviet armor cause it didnt protect against bullets.

I’d like to:

Remove the recoil reduction of bayonets (bayonets on the end of your rifle reduced accuracy, it didn’t help it)

Remove damage reduction of all armours, they’re a poor simulation of how WW2 armour really worked, chestpieces only worked against shrapnel and pistol caliber bullets and then not even that effectively, those chestpeices saving soldiers from semi-automatic rifle fire is just dumb. Also helmets only worked for falling shrapnel and since the game doesn’t simulate that its damage reduction too shouldn’t be in the game. Btw did you know none of the Japanese helmets apply a damage reduction?

If could DF be bothered, which is my way of saying it’s not going to happen, melee damage reduction for the Samurai armour would make it a quite unique and interesting, without breaking any game balance (how often do you really stop a maniac with a sword by meleeing him, you just shoot him 19/20 times).

extra weight made it harder to aim, yes, but it also reduced recoil.

agreed