Give it it’s bayonet along with it’s 700 base ROF buff the Type 100 got. It’s got to be brought up to Gaijin’s current level one smg parameters, and bring along the M50 while were at it.
hmm, this thing shoots 9x25 Mauser Export. If we give it the same stats as the Kiraly, then . . .
Especially if we are talking about Kiraly during the Stalingrad campaign.
Except MP34 doesn’t fire this fast? There are plenty of videos of MP34, at best they fire at ~500 RPM.
many weapons are artificially tweaked.
for example, mp40s, sten guns and others fire faster than they normally do.
Thank you, I’ve posted something like this before, there should be bayonets on weapons with bayonet fix, they maybe useless, but should let players decide to install or not install it, instead of just ignoring these beautiful melee weapons.
In BFV the main weapon I use for both Japan and Germany is the MP 34 with an Bayonet. It’s very satisfying to successfully kill someone with it. I’m all for it.
This is Enlisted, does that matter?
it does, Type 100 got 700 RPM because it has reports of this being a thing
Ahhh, well, the US M50 smg was also known to sport a 30 round magazine and shoot between 750 and 850 rpm as well, so I guess we will be seeing it upgraded to 850 very soon . As to Enlisted, the dev’s have never cared if something was accurate.
…Reising 30-round magazines are aftermarket and post war though…
I can’t argue with rate of fire, but what kind of logic is this? Type 100 rate of fire boost is based on evidence, how does it suddenly equal to Enlisted being intentionally inaccurate?
Evidence? Here ya go.
alright, I see, no point in arguing then if you can’t even be bothered to read the post i linked
The point is, the MOST COMMONLY used should be used, not the max, thus the reason neither were made in the game to shoot 700 plus, especially at BR1. Both should be shooting between 450 and 600 at BR 1. The Type 100 did not get he ROF increase to 800 until 1944, which should make that a BR2 or BR3 smg.
DF opened pandora’s box by adding experimental weapons and even weapons that were never used in the war, so adding a 30 round magazine might not be WW2 correct, however that has never seemed to matter to Gaijin. Two examples of guns that were never used in WW2 that are currently in the game are the Winchester 1866 and 1877. Neither saw action in WW2, yet for some reason found their way into the game. So, with the Dev’s historical accuracy doesn’t matter.
700 is not an experimental number though? Type 100 should have been uptiered when its rate of fire was increased, but it doesn’t mean that it should have 450 RPM because of English Wikipedia numbers
if anything, devs should have been researching the material more thoroughly when adding shit and not just rely on Wikipedia, but we’vee got what we’ve got
The M50 numbers are not experimental either, nor was the 30 round magazine. For BR1, neither should shoot over 600 rpm, "NEITHER:, and the Soviets should not have the PPD-34 shooting over 900 in BR1.
However, if they are going to buff one level one smg that is NOT experimental, then they should buff the other level one smg, which is NOT experimental either. Right?
The 30 round magazine also was not experimental, however, was a later addon, however the Dev’s have never cared if a weapon was necessarily used in WW2, as my example of the two Winchesters pointed out, which means they wouldn’t necessarily care if a magazine was period accurate.
Both to be honest for level one should be shooting the same ROF as numbers show that both shot anywhere between 450 and 850, so, if one is going to be overly buffed, then the other needs to for balance.
450 is correct for Type 100 only in the Western books though and nothing suggests that it would be the case in contemporary Japanese documents? Unlike the 500/550 number for Reising which is mentioned on the official level in manuals and other related documentation in spite of the evidence that it’s not accurate at all
PPDs do fire at fairly high rate of fire though? Most of rate of fire numbers (with some exceptions like STG-44) in Enlisted are taken as is from available sources (most of which would be Wikipedia, but that’s another problem entirely), Type 100/40 was just an example that was corrected after like 2 or 3 years, Reising could have become another one if devs were releasing updates fast enough and someone made an actual suggestion about it.
Both of Winchesters are also pre-WW2 and not post-war and technically fit (and who cares about practically when devs themselves said that they add shit based on the year when it was introduced and not whether it was actually used, case in point: RPD or AS-44 in Berlin campaign or M2 Carbine on any of the available in the game map), while a 30-round Reising magazine is something that is known to not be standard issue nor something that was experimented with during the war to begin with.
That does not matter, “NEITHEER WERE USED IN WW2”. They were used in the Indian wars of the old west. Neither are WW2 accurate.
As far as western books? Your really searching aren’t you?
My guess is that your a Japanese main who likes your new found SMG advantage that you get and you don’t want Gaijin buffing allied weapons.
I play mostly Germans, and I don’t play Allies lower then BR3, but in the scope of fairness, if the Type 100 is going to remain where it currently is, the M50 should be buffed to match, since, there is evidence that it did shoot that fast. So, I’m bored, you can have the last word.
And I don’t argue that 100/40 shouldn’t be a BR1 SMG after the correction or that its other stats should be tweaked to the level of PPD at the very least for it to remain on BR1? Is it something inherent to German mains to complain about shit when it doesn’t benefit them?
So, on one hand you say the M50 can’t use the 30 round magazine because it was an after war addon, because we got to have historical accuracy of the game (which doesn’t exist). Meanwhile on the other hand, your spouting the Winchester Cowboy and Indian’s guns “CAN” be used in the game because they existed pre war? Mind you, they never saw a single second of action in WW2, but they existed. Classic.
Not to mention that neither Winchester’s saw a single second of action in WW1 either.
The M50 “DID” shoot over 800 rpm during WW2, which a vast majority of smg’s did. However, most were not all tuned to use the high ROF and most were not used at their max rate of fire. Obviously buffing the Allies wouldn’t benefit you, so your gonna fight tooth and nail to keep your new found advantage.
And as far as the German main comment, thanks for verifying my Japanese main assessment as correct, and you just fear fighting opponents with balanced weapons. I don’t really have a main, I play every faction, but every faction at certain levels. I don’t play level one with anyone, but level two with Soviets, Germans and Japanese, level three and five with Allies.
Yeah, I know, I said you could have the last word, but when you had to whine about the German main…I couldn’t. But now you can, I promise