Further BR Adjustment Suggestions

Suggestions
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Hello,

I made a quick list of additional infantry weapons I believe require downtiering. Feel free to comment.

USSR Tech Tree:
PPSh41 + PPSh-41 Parkerised + PPSh-41 (B) + MP717(r) (Axis)
BR5 :arrow_lower_right: BR4
Reasons:

  • Excluding for minor stat differences, the PPShs are overall similar to each in terms of mag size, rof and dispersion and recoil. There is simply no reason to derank the PPSh45 and not the othert PPShs only because they shoot slightly faster and have slightly worse dispersion.

PPSh2
BR2 :arrow_lower_right: BR1
Reasons:

  • The PPT shoots faster and does about slightly less damage and is less accurate. They would make decent sidegrades to each other as well to the PPD34 with his advantage mostly being more rounds.

  • It is comparable to the MP§4(o), which does more damage while the PPSh is slighlty more accurate and three more rounds.

  • Premium Medic Squads are one of the worst premium squads and only have five squad members and do not use unique weapons such as Premium Engineers in certain MG or SMG squads.

PDM-42
BR2 :arrow_lower_right: BR1
Reasons:

  • Very comparable to the PPD34 and has about the same stats in most aspects excluding ammo count. Its ammo count is not too severe compared to other BR1 SMGs, especially with Axis MP34(o).

United States Tech Tree:

M1928A1 Thompson + M1928A1 Thompson 50 (B)
BR5 :arrow_lower_right: BR4
Reasons:

  • Compared to Sturmgewehr 44 and MP43/1, it is worse. It only profits from more rounds and higher ROF against Axis assault rifles, which is not really impressive given its far worse accuracy and the fact that the M1944 Hyde exists, which is only inferior in terms of
  • Compared to current top Axis and Japan SMGS, the Kiraley and the Tokyo, it is also not very impressive. It is only slightly better than the Kiraely in terms of recoil and damage and has 10 more rounds while the shoots slightly faster and has slightly better accuracy. Against the Tokoy, it is worse in every aspect except for damage and both are BRIV/ will be BRIV.
  • The proposed recoil reduction also does not feel very impressive.

Hyde 35
BR2 :arrow_lower_right: BR1
Reasons:

  • It is a sidegrade to the TT M50 Reising at best, only profitingt from slightly better reload time and rof. Otherwise, it has worse accuracy and recoil and the same damage.
  • Worse than the MP34(o) excluding for dmg and rof, but rof is not much, only by 50.

M1917 Enfield + Ross Mk. III
BR2 :arrow_lower_right: BR1
Reasons:

  • Have about the same stats as other US rifles at BR1 excluding fro the M1917 havong one round more and the zoom option of the Ross, but since Carcano M41 is BR1, there no reason to put it in BR2 due to six rounds.

  • Since I mentioned the Carcano, it would also not result in any imbalance issues against Axis and even Japan. Yes, the M1917 has one more round and the Ross can zoom while cycling the bolt, but they do not have bayonets in return.

M1C Garand
BR5/4 :arrow_lower_right: BR3

Reasons:

  • BR4 is not enough since it has about the same stats as the Sniper M1 Garand except it has a scope with bigger zoom. I also find the damage difference not severe enough since the required hits to kill would stay the same for both guns, excluding vitality.

M3A1 Submachine Gun
BR2 :arrow_lower_right: BR1
Reasons:

  • A minor upgrade of the M3 Grease Gun, but not enough to justify it jumping one BR.

Springfield M1903A4
BR2 :arrow_lower_right: BR1
Reasons:

  • Its infantry variants are in BR1 already as well as high-zoom scope variants of the Springfield. Also,the Enfield P14 (T) will get downtiered and it is about the same rifle excluding the rof difference.

  • Sniper Carcamp with similar low zoom is also at BR1 and Type 97 Sniper Rifle with 5x zoom is at BR1.

Axis:
MP18+ MP 28 (extended magazine) + MP41
BR2 :arrow_lower_right: BR1
Reasons:

  • All sidegrades to the MP34(o), having slight differences to rof or recoil and the MP34 is even more accurate. But overall, not enough to justify them being one BR up.

Suomi KP31
BR5 :arrow_lower_right: BR4
Reasons:

  • Similar reason as for the PPSh and its variants since it performns about the same as the MP717(r) and that one performs similar as the PPSh45.

Beretta M1918 + OVP M1918
BR2 :arrow_lower_right: BR1
Reasons:

  • Shoots slightly faster than the PPD34 and deals slightly more damage for worse dispersion and slightly worse recoil for the same magazine size.

  • Against the M3 Grease Gun and the M50, it suffers from worse accuracy and dispersion in return for better rof and slightly more rounds vs. the M50.

MG42
BR4 :arrow_lower_right: BR3
Reasons:

  • Sidegrade to the MG34, only shoots 100 rounds faster while having slightly better recoil and slightly worse dispersion.

Pre-War Kar98k + Sniper Pre-War Kar98k + Event Sniper variants
BR2 :arrow_lower_right: BR1
Reasons:

  • About the same stats as the normal Karabiner 98k excluding for slightly more damage, which barely matters at long range and slightly more dmg. The Vz. 24 even deals more damage and this rifle is BR1.

MAS-36
BR2 :arrow_lower_right: BR1
Reasons:

  • Deals worse damage and has only slightly more rof than other BR1 rifles on Axis side.

Japan:
Type 99 Rifle (Early)
BR2 :arrow_lower_right: BR1
Reasons:

  • Sidegrade to the Type 99 Rifle (Late) which gets downtiered so there is no reason why I should not be lowered as well.

  • Only deals 0.6 more damage at 10m than US rifles. Not very impressive.

Type 2 SMG
BR4 :arrow_lower_right: BR3
Reasons:

  • About the same as the SIG, except it has 0.01 worse dispersion and fire modes and slightly better recoil. But SIG has bayonet option.

Sniper Type 99 Rifle (Long) + Sniper Type 99 Rifle
BR2 :arrow_lower_right: BR1
Reasons:

  • About the same as the infantry version of them, which gets downtiered.

  • Has worse zoom than US sniper rifles so its higher damage should be balanced.

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Regardless they are more or less inferior to top tier br5 equipment, I cant really figure any BR3 equipment that would be even remotely comparable to them.
Which, they would fight as br3 v br4

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I agree with almost everything except these two.

Even the MG 34 is very strong for BR3 compared to its competitors, and then you suggest lowering the BR of the MG42?

The m1c has more damage than the m1, it’s not great at BR4, but it’s strong for BR3 and given the m1 grand sniper there’s no need to lower its BR.

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Putting all drum smgs to BR4 but not moving MKB42/STG45 to BR3, MP43/1 to BR4. Yeah no thanks. It’s both or none.

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My idea was to eventually also make a list of buff suggestions as well, which would include the Beretta M1938 and the M38/42 since I believe they perform too similar to the point they could all move down to BR2 which should not be the point and instead act more as counters to Thompsons, especially the drum one, which technically could work if it e.g. they get more accuracy and maybe damage buff.
In that way they would also work against the PPSh spam better, at leadt a bit. Or maybe nerf the Thompson’s recoil.

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There is no major difference between the MG42 and the MG34 beyond 100 rof. The way how I see it is they either put both down or uptiert both because I fail to see any reason to differntiate them or how 100 rof more or less changes so much.

What does it change? It is still OHK at 10m and still 1HK + downing for both guns anyways unless there is again something with vitality perk percentages I forgot.

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The German tech tree should also have the mkb42, premium Suomi and mp717 downtiered to counter the allied drum smg’s since they don’t have a tech tree drum smg.

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As mentioned previously, I wanted to make a seperate buff suggestion thread and considered to give the Mkb42s their bayonets. I do not see any reasons for the MP43/1 to be BR4 however since there is no major performance difference between seem beyond 50 rof and 0.03whatever dispersion.
If you put Stg45 to BR3, you might as well put the Thompson M21 there as well.

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M38/42 should receive rof buff

This new model, the Model 38/42, had a fluted barrel to aid cooling and save weight. It also had a slower rate of fire (550 rpm ).
and receive buff to vertical recoil as it’s too strong

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I think I included the MP717 in the Soviet TT because the justifacion for the MP717 is about the same as for the other PPSh variants since they peform about the same.
Forgot the Premium Suomi, confused it wiith the other Suomi. My bad.

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All good :+1:

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This is like saying that since pps43 is not much different from ppsh41 box, we should move ppsh41 box to BR2 :joy:
And well, the mg42 is much easier to use, it has better sights.

Maybe, I believe diversity should be maintained, when the m1 grand is doing its job well in BR3, there is no need to move the m1c to BR3.

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Sure why not, it’s a rare Thompson that can actually shoot straight so it’s nothing that Germany haven’t seen at BR3. And my Soviets could finally cosplay as Lend Lease soldiers sitting inside M3 Grant :slightly_smiling_face:

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Yep I see it now. You added it in the post

Only thing is since Germany doesn’t have a base TT drum smg to counteract, they still should probably get the mkb42 downtiered to 4. However the concern of assault engineer squads I feel would be an issue. Thoughts?

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Maybe one day, probably after they add bayonets to the FG42, they could add one of the Suomis that they didnt add yet. Maybe they finally stop caring about the Stalingrad founders at all and reintroduce the MP717.

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And/or, would be fun to play a little bit of historical pretend to have an SS squad transferred from the eastern front to Normandy and equip them with ppSh’s lol. Even putting that aside, would still be the best choice regarding balance as well to add either to the base TT

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Dunno wouldnt the M21 be too op for BR2 Germany?

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Mkb42 was initial counter to PPSh-41 box and drum so it could as well go down to BR3 with STG45.

Germany has already much stronger AR at BR4:

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And their BR2 AR has better accuracy and dmg than Mkb42/Stg45/Horn STG.

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So it would fit right in between both of those guns. Fedorov MG will be downtiered despite being stronger than Fedorov Avtomat, it will kill Mkb42 again at BR4.

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Nah it would be BR3 i can play with a bit of handicap. Besides they should buff M3 Grant anyway with APCBC shell for it’s main cannon.

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Now thinking about, they also have the mkb42(w) and that fun already shreds at br5 as it is. However I understand it’s 20 round mag can be limiting for a br5 weapon