#make rof historical again finally
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MG42 also depended on the weight of the bolt so it is accurate
But I agree that some weapons need their fire rate reworked. Like PPS guns
There are more weapons with wrong rof:
- PPS42/43: ~100 too much (many sources show around 500 (pps42) and 600 (pps43)
- Federov Avtomat: Some sources say 350-400, some confirm 600
- FNAB-43: way to slow, the rof was 600-800
- ZB-26: 750 → 500
- MG34: 800 → 900. Early versions could change the fire rate via switch (600 - 1000)
- AS-44: 650 → 600
- Johnson M1941: 900 → 450. It also has the option to increase the rof with different bolts, but +100% is just ridiculous)
(each value depends on source)
The MP40, MKb42 “H”/“W” and most other machine guns/submachine guns, specially the US/GB ones, are fairly correct (well, it depends on source I guess…).
We dont need to talk about the MG42 - this gun is portrayed worse than CoD did.
A correct rof for the StG44 would be fair and nice - I love the iconic powerfull sound at 550 rpm.
Just an idea: Correct both the StG44 and AS-44 to 600 rpm. Should be a good compromise. I once saw a clip where a MkB42H was fired - it fires a bit slower than the StG44, so the difference of ~100 rpm should between both guns should be okay.
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No, it is just the worst option. The rof varied between 900 and 1500 with different bolts, so why not just adjust the rof to solid 1200. That would be fair.
The Johnson M1941 has a “normal” fire rate of about 400-450 rpm and the option to increase it with different bolts. Ingame this gun has 900 rof (!!!). The axis gun got decreased to the lowest option, the US gun got +100% rof…
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Well in my opinion, you probably wouldn’t want a 1200 rpm with only 50 rounds and a lengthy reload. 900-1000 is fair in my opinion.
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873500 people want the correct rof. 900 is a joke and 1000 are still 500 rpm away from its maximum.
1200 is perfect - right between 900 and 1500.
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calling any of the ww2 cod-based games accurate is a complete joke. if anything enlisted is far more precise than the cod games in a lot of things
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The rate of fire of the stg 44 is 600 rounds per minute, but with a different spring it can be 650. Another thing is that talking about an overestimated rate of fire of weapons is meaningless, because historical samples compete against paper. The MKB 42 had a lower rate of fire, about 500-550, but the sniper has a rate of fire of stg 44 and the base is close to the history of the lower threshold. At one time, during Moscow, I asked to give the mkb 42 a rate of 550 shots (he was fighting against Fedorov at that time), but I was sent to the stump. Therefore, there is no point in arguing with the rate of fire of a part of the weapon, it is correct.
soviet manual for PPS-42 mentions 600-700, and I would rather trust domestic data than American intelligence one that was wrong on a lot of occasions yet is persistent enough among western sources.
Fedorov: it was mentioned already on the forum somewhere, but soviet manual, once again, mentions 600 rpm and not 350-400 that americans do
I’d also include Reising M50 and M55 that on all occasions should be at least 650-750 RPM and not 500-550 that was listed as such as a marketing ploy to show that “yes, our smg is slower than thompson and therefore better now please choose us”. Devs already gave real RoF to M1 Thompson and not the theoretical one, so it won’t be that oit of place anyway.
EDIT: right, since we are talking about rates of fire, I’ll mention my friend’s post here, because it’s, once again, a possible example of an american mistake spreading worldwide:
EDIT #2:
Also remembered these guns that could be adjusted:
DShK - 850 → 600 (600-1200 from russian sources is a carryover from DS-39 that actually had this function, DShK didn’t afaik)
MP35/I - 540 → 650 (relatively fast firing SMG irl that is def faster than STGs)
MP28 - 480 → 600 (Lanchester has this rate of fire already, it wouldn’t hurt anybody and would go along nicely with boosted rate of fire for Reising and Type 100)
“MP28 (7.65mm)” - 480 → 600 (literally the same gun as “SIG 1920”)
MP38/40 - from 500 to at least 540-550 (maybe 540 for 38 and 570 for 40 to keep the trend of earlier SMGs having less RoF than later in spite of it not necessary being the case irl, see PPS-42 and PPS-43 that had their rates of fire switched around)
M3(A1) Grease Gun - from 380(410) to 450 (we are past the point where average RoF is listed and not maximum one, see PPS once again)
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Um, I don’t care?
MG42 is a very iconic ww2 gun and it’s famous for it’s high rof, so I want it with it’s iconic rof. I play ww2 game so I expect to see iconic ww2 guns, not some watered down versions that just look similar.
If someone thinks 1200 rpm of MG42 is too much for him, he can always switch back to MG34 with 900 rpm.
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it should be 1200 cause it was like that in its stock configuration, not cause it was in the middle of 900 and 1500. 900 rof was for heavy bolt and 1500 rof was for planes.
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Exactly, MG 42 was mass produced, as such a standard rate of fire for the infantry existed - which was almost always 1200 rpm
Mg42 fire rate dependent on the bolt used on the gun, different bolt different fire rate, the current used one is the bolt capping the gun at 900rof stock
So is false
The real world one fired with 900rof if the soldier using the gun believed was better lower the fire rate for avoid waste ammo
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overall it didnt matter if mg42 had 900 rof or 1200 rof, when soldiers fired in bursts so they dont overheat the barrel. not to mention they needed to change barrel every 150-200 rounds making practical rof way lower.
This is WW 2, soldiers didn’t simply buy a different bolt at Amazon and switched them out - infantry got the 1200 rpm MG42, not 900rpm
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Different bolt different job as in reality and as in game is showed, moving soldier with it use heavy bolt, slower the fire rate and help to controlling the recoil in full auto, emplacement mg42 use light bolt and have higher fire rate because is usually fixed somewhere and the recoil isn’t a issue
Also a better move instead of ask to add more more fire rate in the current one (who is gonna be a huge nerf for the low ammo it use), you should ask to add a new one with 250rd and 1200 rof stock in the tech tree
Well a 1200 RPM MG42 with 100 + belt deserves to be a BR5 gun, and you are right that this would be the better solution to the MG42 problem.
However the HA argument that you are making seem not correct. You made me going to look for sources about 1200 rpm MG42 as the most used standard infantry version, when I have some free time.
900 rpm was not common.
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i think that any lmg with over 100 rounds should not be available as run and gun MG. they should also fix stinger ammo box capacity so it has 100 rounds.
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Well they could turn every MG with a higher capacity than 50 rounds into a “hipfire only gun”, unless being prone or on a bipod.
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Yeah I’d like realistic RoF’s
They should start at slightly lower, then the upgrade “restores” it to full
“Heavier bolt” you know this
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