Easy Balance Fix for Paratrooper Squads

[robihr]

@Adamnpee

Lmao, making certain class so boring no one wouldn’t play it anymore isn’t good solution.

making it OP versatile squad isnt good solution either. paratroopers already have their gimmick with being able to spawn anywhere. they dont need extra gimmicks. i wouldnt even give them the crate considering how powerful they can be with their jump ability.

@Adamnpee

Argument such they are dropping behind enemy lines just do destroy rally points is completely made up.
I have never experienced such thing and I don’t think it would be efficient.

i am doing it all the time when i am actually playing normandy and can be extremely efficient. best time to drop is some 20-30 seconds after the start of the game when rallies are actually built. you drop behind most obvious locations for rally points, destroy them and then pincer enemy in cap.

@Adamnpee

Show videos when someone is purposely hunting down enemy rally points with paras. And doing consistently and efficiently.

would do that if i actually played normandy often.

@PDAwG

Cant be AT, cant have have MG, cant spawn everywhere in the playing zone, cant flank and cant be behind enemy lines. Seems also no RP?.. Ok, you know the versatility is the main thing of paratroopers?

1. they are too versatile. if you want history comparison than every rifle squadron should also have MG gunner and couple of bazookas or fausts usable by any rifleman. if rifle squadrons can be divided in MG and AT elements, then i dont see reason why paratroopers should have special exemption.
2. they are too accurate in their drop and they teleport above battlefield.
3. i never said dont allow them to flank or be behind enemy lines. if anything i would even allow them even gray zone. this is their gimmick, they dont need extra ones.

@PDAwG

As per your suggestion, they cant do all of that so it seems they should be doing nothing. Might as well remove them. Its an inappropriate solution and no nerf needed, just maybe a longer spawn time and a voice warning (this might be repetitive when they spawn)

they need heavy nerf cause they make other squads pointless. they are currently assault, mg and AT squad in one with engineer that can make flanking rally points. they can spawn to any point of the map, including the cap zone with precision.

@PDAwG

Hope DF listens also the people who are fine the way they are. This nerfing culture is turning the game into a clusterf*ck of something dumb getting nowhere. Like the TNT…

and i hope they dont. DF made stupid choice without any community input with introduction of paratroopers. people like their OP new squads and dont even care that it is

1. OP and ruins balance
2. not historically accurate

[Adamnpee]

@robihr

i wouldnt even give them the crate considering how powerful they can be with their jump ability.

Crate could be used as nerf if necessary items were accessible through it.
For example paras would drop only with handguns and all primary weapons would be in box.

@robihr

i am doing it all the time when i am actually playing normandy and can be extremely efficient. best time to drop is some 20-30 seconds after the start of the game when rallies are actually built. you drop behind most obvious locations for rally points, destroy them and then pincer enemy in cap.

Seems still to me like completely made up scenario.

@robihr

would do that if i actually played normandy often.

And this just proves it.

@robihr

they are too versatile.

That’s what I said too.

@robihr

if you want history comparison

Using historical facts to prove game balance etc is extremely cheap and it has zero value.

@robihr

they are too accurate in their drop and they teleport above battlefield.

Yeah, drop spread could be increased. That’s way better artificial balance than 10 minutes long flight.

@robihr

if anything i would even allow them even gray zone.

I do not. Spawncamping is extremely toxic. Not a single class’s mechanics shouldn’t be based on grey zone.

@robihr

OP and ruins balance

I disagree.
They can be easily countered. They’re just changing gameplay.

@robihr

not historically accurate

Not relevant, it’s game. Engineers how are depicted in this game aren’t HA as well. Same goes for tanks, MG squads, medics and so on.

[PDAwG]

You have paras, use them, you can do all those things too. Its your prerogative not to use them. Also it doesn’t ruin the balance at all and tbh DF has bigger problems to worry about like ladder mechanic, window mechanic, BR, MM, mine and AT bugs and expand its player base.
Plus, there are premium squads so I highly doubt nerf will happen, maybe an adjustment. It would be screwing around with player supporting the game financially. Bad decision.
I believe its best for DF to stop listening to both sides on this matter and focus on other things. Cause its not healthy for the game. its time consuming and most of the complaints are baseless. Suggesting a nerf without having game making experience is like voting and not understanding politics.

[robihr]

@Adamnpee

Seems still to me like completely made up scenario.

i use this when i am attacker. dropping on cap is most stupid use of paratroopers usually.

@Adamnpee

Using historical facts to prove game balance etc is extremely cheap and it has zero value.

he argued that they were versatile in history. i made comparison to rifle squad that was also versatile in history, but was implemented differently in game.

@Adamnpee

And this just proves it.

proves what?
i am currently grinding moscow, so i am not playing normandy. ffs only have 3 normandy game replays of which i think i actually played only 2 (i dont play normandy conquest). and at least one of them if not both were defense where i wouldnt use that tactic. when on defense it is more useful to frontally confront and destroy enemy. only if enemy is particularly good i flank for rally points.

@Adamnpee

Yeah, drop spread could be increased. That’s way better artificial balance than 10 minutes long flight.

i am for nerf, just idk what specific instance of nerf or their combination i would apply. certainly i dont want them to be nerfed to the ground, but also i dont want current state. they either need to loose versatility, or they need to lose instant precise drops.

@Adamnpee

I do not. Spawncamping is extremely toxic. Not a single class’s mechanics shouldn’t be based on grey zone.

it is funny cause this was basically one of the main roles of paratroopers. preventing reinforcements.
but yeah i agree that spawn camping is toxic, but also at the same time gray zone is too big. giving them extended stay in gray zone could also be good for dealing with gray zone camper tanks. default spawn protection can be improved so any spawn camper would be at heavy disadvantage.

@Adamnpee

I disagree.
They can be easily countered. They’re just changing gameplay.

and i disagree to your disagree
any infantry can be “easily countered”. it is not question whether you can kill them or not. it is question of how their features compare to features of rest of the squads and if they have overwhelming advantage compared to other squads. and paratroopers have overwhelming advantage.

@Adamnpee

Not relevant, it’s game. Engineers how are depicted in this game aren’t HA as well. Same goes for tanks, MG squads, medics and so on.

it is relevant. when there is something added to the game it needs to be either balanced or historically relevant/accurate (or preferably both).

@PDAwG

You have paras, use them, you can do all those things too. Its your prerogative not to use them.

and i use them like any other OP weapon and vehicle. doesnt change the fact that they are versatile and OP.

@PDAwG

Also it doesn’t ruin the balance at all

if you dont see a problem with pinpoint precision drop anywhere on the map with highly versatile squad on demand, then idk what i could tell you. any other squad is specialized and can only be spawned on fixed locations. not to mention it is only premium/event squad and not in normal progress.

@PDAwG

Plus, there are premium squads so I highly doubt nerf will happen, maybe an adjustment. It would be screwing around with player supporting the game financially. Bad decision.

they are constantly making bad decisions. paratroopers should have been first rolled out to testers and then they should have collected feedback from them. or they should have made an event with paratrooper squad and tested them (like even fight event).

@PDAwG

I believe its best for DF to stop listening to both sides on this matter and focus on other things.

and conveniently leave paratroopers alone.

@PDAwG

Suggesting a nerf without having game making experience is like voting and not understanding politics.

i could make same argument to you about not nerfing OP stuff without having game making experience.

[Adamnpee]

@robihr

i use this when i am attacker. dropping on cap is most stupid use of paratroopers usually.

If it’s so stupid, then just dont allow them to jump behind objective so nobody can farm rally points and everyone will be happy, lol.

[GeneralBrus]

@Adamnpee

And to make this more easier, drop zone should be marked with coloured flare smoke.
It would pretty much obvious at first glance for everyone that the paradrop is incomining.

Good idea, very simple nerf yet effective.