Who?
The 10+20 Facebook friends where 20 didnt bother to come until update came in and wrote like “How dare you? Uninstalled!” and never wrote again.
Trulely a dark day for this day.
Period is stupid, especially with your twisted logic of “PrOtO”.
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Well you see, where was everyone when me and a few ppl opposed war thunder br system?
Everyone praised it and demanded it without thinking ahead of the consequences. The map preferences system, would have allowed what you guys want and maintain a semblance of historical accuracy. Me and the few others proposed to merely refine it.
But… everyone wanted war thunder. Well it’s what we got, and it’s irreversible at this point.
Battle rating, is Battle rating. There shouldn’t be any compromise with a measurement system.
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Or, hear me out, you can put 1 BR5 piece of equipment in your lineup and still have your meme Berlin loadout.
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I honestly do not see legitimate campers too often. I’ve had matches where friendly and enemy Tigers were practically sitting right by the objective
Even then with the new system we can still have Stuarts and Tigers in the same battles
One of my rules is that a thing is fine as long as is it was definitively produced. If Germany literally built exactly one Mkb on the date of such and such then I’d say fine it can be in whatever campaign that matches with that date. If there is definitive proof that the Mkb literally didn’t see any service until such and such date of 1944 then I would still say the same thing.
I know you’re very snarky but what is your issue. Some people in our community like more historical accuracy, some people have no idea about anything historical, and some people are literally anti historical accuracy entirely. Some people want this game to start going into Vietnam and Modern War. Some people want to make artillery guns buildable. Some people think Engineers should have assault rifles
I personally would like the game to be a bit more historical as my standards. I’m not gonna cry about it, I have fun and like the new system in general. I still have fun with the game. Maybe one day my pipe dream is realized and they make this game a bit more historical, or have a historical mode, or whatever
My logic is not twisted, I have long throughly explained my position, you’re just being snarky. If I have to reiterate
No matter if something is mass produced, famous, common, rare, prototype, experimental, it should appear in whatever date is closest to it.
- KV tanks saw service between what and what dates? → then it should only be in said dates.
- Federov is a WW1 interwar relic? → then the earliest BR in the timeline.
- Panzerfaust 60 and T-34-85 started service on what date? ->then it shouldn’t be time traveling into Stalingrad (because we all see Stalingrad is getting jumbled)
The BR system itself has shown how it can be very fluid because you literally can bring early tier weapons into the final battles of the war. And I’m ok with that. I can tolerate things going forward in time (because duhh everything moves forward), I just don’t want anything traveling backwards in time.
I even say they wouldn’t even have to dramatically overall the game once again, they’d just have to move a few things around here and there in the BR tree then it would be fine
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I too was apprehensive about this new system and had my issues with it.
I will say that I have been enjoying the new system overall and still enjoy the game, just obviously we have some specific and particular issues with it.
I can always hope that maybe they will refine it. I can hope can’t I
Don’t hold on to your hopes too much. You will disappoint yourself the most.
This entire thread is just this.
Ex: Japan needs an assault rifle for balance ------------> ok lest give them a Howa Type 20 thats META and Balanced
Hey thats not Historically accurate.
Yeah no shit, its a game not a simulator.Do you wanna simulate trench foot and ptsd too?
These strawman arguments have been going on for months
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Yeah, 1% doesnt see them. Let the rest have cake.
Which was exactly the point of campaigns I guess.
Campaigns in fixed locations that use basically everything that wasnt there because thats the point of fixed setttings.
My issue is we are kept getting spoilered with a massive HA-immersive-authentic community, but the result so far were more disappointing than the last two MCU phases. If like 30 people is the best, why should anyone care about a very small portion, where 20 already left the game?
Yeah, like you.
Such low standards that suck ass.
Nah, just keep mentioning it even if no one asks.
And comes to:
- Tiger E in Moscow in January 1942, and Srtalingrad even though they were not there and weren’t ready in January 1942, but 1942 is 1942.
- Jet Fighters in 1942 and 3 because the German version was mostly ready there because 1942/43 is 1942/43
- Panther and Schreck in Stalingrad because 1943 is 1943.
- MP43 and FG in Stalingrad because 1943 is 1943.
- Zombie weapons which never were used in WW2 but they were built and MIGHT have been used because MIGHT.
Cant wait to see a supposed fixed campaign system with loose rules because year is year and that all that matters… why we already had and it was pretty bad,
Which I guess everyone knew from the start.
The Tiger E wouldn’t be in Stalingrad because that model was made after the battle. If they added one of the earlier models then I’d say sure
Now I know some would say who cares about models lol just have one tank but there is a reason why this game is feeding off of Warthunder. And that means yes we get various vehicles with even slight differences because they are technically different vehicles
I’d say it depends on whether they are adding prototype models or the definitive “this thing entered active service on blank date. Because if we go by definite models then most jets didn’t enter active combat service until basically 1944
Theoretically they could add the first Panther D because it was built within that timeframe but it’s first actual combat service was Kursk months later. I’d say we have to see what BR they give an eventual Kursk campaign
Again the issue is I’ve felt that BR wasn’t the exact perfect solution because sometimes things made in a certain year did not see service in particular battles even within that year
Regardless that’s why it’s ok for us to take little steps, see what works, and that these kinds of steps need to be worked on little by little. It is a rocky road
I think the issue of campaigns had more to do with a relatively small population in general
Regardless overall I think the devs should at least be open to testing different BR configurations
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Then why have it in the game? For trolls that like to waste tickets?
Strawman while complaining about strawmans nice. The point being made is that compared to moving the VG to moscow, there are much more immersion breaking aspects to the game. Most players would not even notice it and it is much better in BR 2 for balance.
Both visually and functionally, the VG being
in moscow is not immersion breaking at all for your average player. Compare this to 90% of people in BR 5 running around with assault rifles when their prevalance was next to nothing compared to semis and bolts.
The VG being in BR 2 however makes a lot of sence balance wise. For the average player that is not obsessed with WWII to the point that they are jobless living out of their mothers basement, they would not even know that the VG2 does not historically belong on moscow maps. They would of course notice a modern assault rifle or BMW.
For the vast majority of the playerbase balance matters so much more then perfect historical accuracy as long as it does not become rediculously obvious. Especially given how many other more major innacuracies exist in this game.
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Why not E? Pretty sure there is some proto-early-test-modification around that was anecdotal mentioned somewhere.
After all, Fedorov is fine even though every source states its existence ended in Winter War.
Or about years and fronts
Technically the H1 or E were neither in Moscow or Stalingrad but both are fine because 1942 is 1942 and maybe there is sone E proto from 1942 we cant find sources for.
Im pretty sure the definite model of the Fedorov didnt exist anymore in Moscow or the Mkb but here we are.
Nooow we are nitpicking?
Huh
Campaign should only have stuff that was there, not stuff according to your bullshit.
Otherwise leave campaigns and make stupid year fronts so we can finally dominate the Soviets in Moscow 1942 with Tigers and Jet protos.
Personally I was quite surprised that here are ppl that seriously think this way about fantasy (or anything similar).
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If they ever add in some early Tiger prototype then we will have that discussion. But for now no country has any prototype blueprint vehicles except for Japan. So much so that Japan is basically in a league of its own. For the other factions the only prototypes we debate about are guns
Blame the devs for adding it and all these prototype guns. At least I have my ideas on how they could make them work. Back when we had campaigns I said it should only be in Moscow and Stalingrad (1941-1942) because that is the closest period to the Winter War, and one could say since it’s Soviet desperate times they would use anything.
I mean we’re playing a WW2 game, it would be silly to act like history isn’t at the very least a little important. But of coarse the devs have all these prototype things, so I at least think we could mold this game to be somewhat semi-historical
I don’t know what you mean. The devs have forced us into this situation in the first place. The question is do we go by the date something was definitively made or the date it first saw use. With prototypes all I can say is within the date it got made. With the actual legitimate things then we can go by the date it was used. That seems fair
- W.A.R prototype was made on what date, then add it to whatever battles have that date
- Panther model whatever first saw combat on what date, then add it to whatever battles have that date
The whole problem itself was that the devs were a little washy washy with campaigns since the beginning. They laid the foundation, and we all have ideas how to build up. Obviously I’ve said I am willing to accept prototypes and stuff, but you already know my standards for them
Another piece of this puzzle in all of this is that whatever gets added to the game is by the leisure of the devs. It’s all on them if they want to add all these prototypes. I can tell you that the regular jet planes will likely be BR 4-5 and only be in Western Front and Berlin
Also I’m just saying the Soviets also had their own prototypes so let’s not act like only Germany has toys. There’s the SU-100Y
The whole point is I think there is nothing wrong with testing new ideas. And even then I’ve never said it would be the end all be all. Sometimes you have to test something, see how it breaks, test it further, and so on and so fourth. I’ve never said my vision is perfect, but like with many things progress is a bumpy road. Like I said as a start I think the devs could test a more historical BR system on the test server
And like I said, apart from some particular issues, I’m still having fun with the new game just like before. It’s just my pipe dream
Um. I think this got off topic. My original suggestion was simply a BR tier change for a few guns.
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buddy are you actually stupid? Just becuase a weapon was made in late 1944 doesn`t mean the balanced of it should be with a PPSH41.Get some help
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You people are legit the reason why enlisted sucks in 2024
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