“A total of 69 T-50 tanks were built (only 48 of them armed), before production ended in January 1942.”
They existed within timeframe for the Battle of Moscow.
Stats can be easily changed as seen with patchnotes, them fixing their anachronistic mistakes is harder it seems.
They were used in Leningrad. Thats not Moscow iirc.
in enlisted scenario.
one thing is pointing out the historical inaccuracies ( because i think it’s due. lots of people today are mistaken about the actual real war that took places which often times is depicted in todays modernization ) which… i guess it brings the point that… if you want to play an historical accurate game, i’m afraid there isn’t simply one. due to not being really fun or balanced.
but in enlisted plays a different role.
because machinegunners ( we have yet to see how the new toy that the enginner gets to place how effective will be ) kinda sounds OP ( ish ).
like, 5 dudes running around with mg42s and an heavier machinegun that can theorically also deal with tanks, i think we could and should have an argument there. but it’s not helped by the fact that we are entering fantasy land
that’s the main issue with alot of people.
or, at least those are ( some of ) my gripes
( i mean, i’m mostly… impartial by it now. or i should say, used to it. but this sort of behavior will allow stuff that wasn’t and shouldn’t be in certain campaign a norm. which it has my full distaste ).
so… i see you trying downplay arguments, but those do not come without reason.
You’re telling me this as if i’m opposed to having them renamed to their official designation? lmao
Also its straight up lazy. At this point, Soviet campaigns just copy+paste from each other. And demanding money for the painful inaccurate MG42 is borderline scam.
I remember back in the ancient times when the most advanced Soviet tank was the BT-7. And that BA rifles were among the most present. I remember the Mosin M/91 and the Winchester being the most fun. Oh, how we’ve fallen from those times, lmao
do we… play the same game?
the scoped wonder weapon of the russians?
which was extreamly rare? just like the T50? and technically, also the BA-11 ?
same goes for Americans M24s, Jumbos… and the m2 carbine in normandy?
are you being blind on purpose?
sure, we could argue that the g43s and 41s were also rare. but it’s not like ONLY the germans have stuff that was of very niche. pretty much any campaign got those.
I actually don’t care about if it is OP or not. But I hate people double standard of historical accuracy.
Just like the update that release the MKB42H and Ofenrohr.
I mostly play Moscow, so that’s where I encounter most issues. I’ve heard about all the stuff wrong with Normandy, and i’m not opposed to them fixing it. The T50 was present during the timespan of the battle, though with numbers, it should have been either a Gold Order only or a premium squad. Mostly my issue is that the weapons I mentioned that are currently added, or are soon to be added with this upcoming update, are produced/released after the battle had already concluded.
i have yet to see anyone doing so.
and as i was there and can recall, just like the first time they introduced the mkhb with a scope in moscow, was shit stormed.
( similar to the jumbo )
yet. all of them are still here. because devs have long abandoned this argument. ( or rather, never adressed ).
so it’s funny to see that their only attempts they made to try to justfiy any of it, are kinda hilarious as not very well based / thought out .
the only reason why you see people defending them, it’s sort of a cope-out exscuse.
you got X and Y, so it’s fine for germany to get Z.
" c R y A B o u T i T " or " S k I I l I s s U e "
which… the more i progress with the forum, the more i see this forum becoming a kindergarten play field of arguments. ( or maybe i have grown intollerant )
which it’s a funny circle argument that started with guns that no one ever asked.
like, if those were gold order weapons, we could still get arguments and stuff, but i would have preferd those as it would have become much rare to face mkbs ( or at least in very small numbers ).
on this, i agree 
ah i see, then i must have missreaded. sorry for the little outburst but contless time i see one faction blinded people arguing about what the other does/has.
and to kinda answer you both, still kinda falls under developer (flawed) choices because the community often times suggested for actual replacements. but oh well, we can only sit back and absorb in some situations. or become our selves part of the problem by using those weapons. which then, devs use against players commeting with " S e e ? y o u p l a y e r s u s e it. so it ’ s f i n e ).
it’s a never ending circle.
as someone said better than me, the road to the memes never ends.
The double standard of historical accuracy I said is
On that update, all people are complaining about MKB42H, but no one is talking ofenrohr. If they really care about it they should complain about both.
sounds to me you are nitpicking for your own " points " in argument.
because… i don’t know for how long you have been here, but i can tell you ( and you can look it up for your self with the magnifier above in the forum search function ) that everyone wanted panzershreks by now.
which, the ofenrohr it’s… technically not even that controversial. but the problem that arises is and was, that rather than making it a gold order weapon, they decided to put it to everyone instead of issuing the panzershrek.
but we can’t have nice things ( otherwise how else would have devs prolongued the weapons? ) but maybe, we are being a bit harsh on them.
Speaking of the Schreck… isnt it funny that the devs added gasmasks to the bombers because the Germans issued them/ historical accuracy?
Isnt that
But using historical accuracy as argument? You can say the same thing on pz4f2 and mkb42 h.
This is what double standard is. Historical accuracy is just a tool to complain on some thing you don’t want, but can be completely ignored when you see something that you like.
I think I also saw people want pz4f2 before too .
what you seems to struggle to understand is, historical accuracy is an argument that within reasons, is being brought up.
which, just because people stopped complaining about, it’s because they simply ““accepted”” it as there’s nothing to do about it more than has been done which doesn’t matter anymore as it wont change.
which it’s kinda the same reason why you don’t see people complaining about them anymore because there has been said quite enough about them that it would just become a repetition.
most of conversation ( even non historical ) kinda dies because people let it all out the first month then nothing changes, so we move on.
and once again, historical accuracy arguments gets brought up every time we see something that we do not like AND SHOULD NOT be present within the context/settings of the campain.
a glary example is the jumbo. sure, with the newer tools does not become an issue anymore. but back when was introduced, was a pure pain in the ass to deal with and very unfun to play against. yet, despite outrage from community, ( with various replacements provided as well ) devs simply didn’t care.
on the other hand, kinda the opposite about still being accurate but needles, was the panther. the panther imo is kinda overkill for the campaign that it finds it self in. although, unpopular opinion.
which, again, doesn’t take you long to make little researches to find why.
i’ll do you one favor and tell your directly here why. ( since… you kinda seems lazy to even tracking the arguments of what you are brining on the table ) it’s about the t34. those, are on the other spectrum. which just because they want something historical inaccurate doesn’t mean A. they shouldnt be listened just because they don’t know how to deal with t34s ( even though, id argue comes from frustration of lack of tools to do that . but for sake of time and argument, i wont adress further much beside this only mention ) and B, i don’t see what they have to do with historical argument. because if you lack of critical thinking and believe that they fall in the same category, that’s on you i’m afraid. not historical accuracy advocates ( which we can meme on them on a fairly similar share ) but they are being part of another issue. because i can tell you historical advocates are not ( usually ) one sided. if it means no to X and Y, will most likely mean no to Z even if it’s in their faction.
i think you think too many people are biased. which i grant you this view since some are more noisy than others. but you seems to forget that they do not represent the majority.
Those people receive plenty of like and it is more than the topic it self.
People on this forum tend to see the post with many like as the majority of player base. You can know this from them ranting about the dev ignoring the opinion of “majority player base” because the post receive many likes.
I just want HEAT StuG A in Moscow, not as premium, but as free one.
on the other hand, you and i, can’t really prevent people from having opinions. and i would like to remind you that there have been questionable posts with questionable likes ( such as whiners against BA buffs. or those who still thinks bombers are pointless ) but again, it’s up to them. it’s fine to have different opinions.
which;
you are 100% true on this, and people truly seems to forgetting it, that the forum is like, used by to the very least, 20 if not 30% of the whole playerbase. hence a few like does not mean it’s what the whole community wants.
so i can’t blain devs for taking suggestions in consideration both on the forum and reddit despite not everyone using those said platforms.
a tricky land mine that i’m not sure how much we can really adress. would be simplier to run polls like they did for motorbikes like they did in tunisia. but since we got it only once and as the first and last time, i’m not sure those were good as well since… we never got any more of them.
i’m aftaid this is a bit speculative as it can go for both ways.
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