BR II - polish guerrilla with błyskawica submachine gun

Błyskawica submachine gun

→ could be an event squad with weapons

  • produced by the “Armia Krajowa”, or Home Army, a polish resistance movement fighting the germans in occupied Poland
  • designed 1943
  • manufacturer was Armia Krajowa
  • produced from 1943-44
  • ≈ 740 Błyskawica’s built
  • submachine gun
  • used cartridge: 9×19mm Parabellum with a muzzle velocity of 400 m/s
  • rate of fire: 600 rounds/min
  • uses a 32 round box magazine
  • mass was 3.22 kg
  • length was 556 / 730 mm
  • barrel length was 197 mm

flag and soldiers of the “Armia Krajowa”
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Błyskawica submachine gun
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Only issue is, who gets the squad? Because it would be insulting to give it to the soviets, doesnt make sense with the allies, and if you gave it to the germans as some sort of volkstrum type squad, that would kinda lose the source of the weapon, that is even assuming any were retained for use by the germans.

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Very fair criticism.

I would argue the Allies since Poland was an Allied country, albeit occupied. This would follow the precedent of the French Resistance squad which were also pro-Allies fighters in an occupied country fighting the Germans.

Definitely agree it would be an insult to our Polish brothers to have them as a part of USSR.

My criticism of this is just that I want Free Polish squads in the tech tree itself rather than entire nations being relegated to obscure event/premium squads.

See my suggestion for a France-Poland-Belgium-Netherlands tech tree. (that’s four nations represented in the one tree so plenty of tech).
They would queue with the Allies and swap to the appropriate nation’s uniform where necessary.

Eg. FRPOBENE in the Pacific would have Dutch uniforms as the Dutch fought alongside Australia, NZ, UK and USA in the Pacific.

Free French uniforms in Tunisia OR Free Polish (eg Polish were at Tobruk where they relieved the ANZAC Diggers).

Europe they could just be themselves basically (Free French, Free Belgian etc forces landed on D Day).

They could also fight with the Soviets on Berlin maps as Polish (I forget the exact name but iirc the first Allied army into Berlin was actually Polish) and if DF eventually adds Poland maps.

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and who will they play for? For the USA in the Pacific Ocean?

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Why? It is the only logical thing. :man_shrugging:

But I have no idea why they would need to add completely incompatible nationalities that don’t fit the current format at all - merely for the sake of adding new nationalities.
I don’t want to see Poles in the Battle of Moscow, I don’t want to see Chinese in Africa and Europe, I don’t want to see Morrocans in the Pacific.

They could just add weapon on its own. There is no need to add minor nationalities that only break immersion and can’t even be changed to major nationalities for whatever reason. (Not allowing to change nationalities of premium/event soldiers is one big👎L decision, I would understand it only with medal owners)

Not interesting enough.

To me it seems pretty logical to add it to the Western Allies, that’s the faction the Poles were aligning themselves to.

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How is that logical?

Have Polish partisans participated in battle of Normandy, Tunisia, Bulge or Pacific?

No, they did not. There were certain Polish units in battle of Normandy. But they definitely weren’t partisans.

Polish Partisans were fighting mainly in Poland (for obvious reasons), which could be future Soviet vs German campaign. They have nothing to do with allies.

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And how many Polish partisians were defending Moscow, Stalingrad, Berlin, Rzhev? Both options are just silly, Soviets were attackers too and only temporal allies.

Read the whole discussion maybe :man_shrugging:

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oh 100% the Free Polish forces, however in this case, this is specifically the polish resistance who operated only in Poland, of which they would be persecuted and murdered by the soviets.

Like you could do either Free Polish for the western forces, or one of the many Polish units under soviet command, but this case in particular wouldnt work for either of those.

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they fought against the german xD
I would place it to the allies because the supported the resistance

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I disagree. I know many polish players through multiple communities and they wanted to have an polish guerrilla squad

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Then you should tell them to like your post. :man_shrugging: so far, likes from 8 people don’t really support your claim.

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Im more than aware, was more trying to figure a way to add the gun that made any tiny amount of sense. Hence captured ones from say the warsaw uprising were given out as last ditch weapons to some unknown volkstrum squad.

I’ve provided both links to my mates. However, since I wrote this post early in the morning and most people were already asleep and still working while I was on vacation, this will happen sooner or later.
It’s not all about Enlisted, and I’m certainly not forcing people to vote right away. If they have the time, they’ll do it.

Funfact: my post for MAS-38 also had only 12 likes - only 4 more over months and yet DF / Gaijin adopted it. :wink: And I’ve also seen suggestions with significantly more likes that haven’t been added in all the years. The decision rests solely with DF/Gaijin.

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I actually deliberately chose rare weapons.

But the Allies make the most sense here. The British secretly supported the Polish resistance, even sending them instructors and weapons. And that’s why I would place them to the allies and not to the soviets

The issue is, these men and weapons never saw action on the western fronts, there is so many other Polish options that could fit there, but this group and weapon in particular really dont fit anywhere like that.

That’s no valid argument. I give you an example: french guerrilla event squad never saw action on the western fronts and people can use them on pacific. Same goes for the Meunier rifle A6 which these event squad uses.

I support the idea of adding it but right now there is nowhere to do so, if in the future we get a UK tech tree ( so far devs said NO ) it would be a Perfect premium/event squad for it :slight_smile:

I mean to be exact, that french resistance squad is shown to be a FFI squad, which very much did partake in active combat during normandy and across france. (Though post liberation they would be absorbed into the Free French Forces). As for the rifle, I assume the idea was, “old semi auto rifle from some farmers barn hidden in the interwar period or something”, at least there is some historical basis for the remaining rifles post WW1 going missing, either into private collections or looted by the germans in WW2. (Though I do agree perhaps the RSC 1917/1918 would have been a far better fit).

As for using them in the pacfic, its a shame they couldnt be shown to be either viet minh soldiers or french colonial forces, personally I tried my best to make them look like raggedy US marines.

Same for Tunisia, This squad could really do with either a FFL or FCF skin for Tunisia and the Pacfic.

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