Bf 109 G-6 to BR III

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Germany is in a bit of a rough spot with BR III Fighter options, with the earlier 109 variants (BR II) having lack-luster air-to-air weapons and payload, the IAR (also BR II) being woefully outclassed in speed, and the Fw 190 family (Germany’s only BR III “fighters”) being outclassed in maneuverability and payload.

Frankly, with their payloads being so nerfed in Enlisted, the Fw 190 family are atrocious. They fly like bricks (despite German pilots claiming they were more maneuverable in low altitude than the 109s) but carry the armament of an interceptor, instead of the multi-role aircraft the Fw 190 really was.

The G-6 would fit nicely into that BR, with it having worse maneuverability than the Soviet Yak-3 and La-5FN, and worse speed and payload than the American P-51D-5 and P-38J-15, but a healthy air-to-air armament and good enough capabilities in both speed and maneuverability to match up well with most enemy fighters. Certainly better than the Fw 190s or BR II fighters that Germany has currently serving the role.

Other suggestions have been made for the Fiat G.55 to move down to BR III, but I think the Fiat would be too strong at BR III. It lacks nothing, with good air-to-air armament, good speed, good maneuverability, and good payload. It would instantly become the best Fighter at BR III, which is not what anybody wants with a BR change.

The other concern when moving something to a new BR is what is left behind. Germany has two superior options already at BR IV, with the aforementioned Fiat G.55 and Bf 109 G-10. The G-6 would not be missed at BR IV, and I seriously doubt it sees much play as it stands.

That’s it. Bf 109 G-6 to BR III

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Id rather see the F4 get its 4x50kg bombs at BR3 instead personally. But like I wouldnt complain if I got the G6 there instead.

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I would prefer the fiat.

While there is nothing wrong with the 109 G6, it doesnt bring anything new to the table you cant get from a BR 2 109 F 1 (for enlisted purposes)

G.55 fiat is a good plane, but its certainly suited for BR 3 considering planes like the mustang, hellcat, yak 9k, ki 100, zero and la 5 reside here.

G.55 offers germany something they dont have… Its not even heavily armed by comparison…one cannon and some 50 cals isnt exactly impressive

I think g55 should be BR 3, and a new more heavily armed g55 series 1 should be added at br 4

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F1 and F2 109s carry far too little air-to-air firepower. 7.92mm MGs do next to nothing, and they carry very little ammo for their singular 15 and 20mm cannon. Combine that with their lack of a speed advantage, and they are just plane worse in every way to Soviet and US BR III fighters, while the extra cannons, extra ammo, and extra speed make the G-6 a worthy adversary to other BR III Fighters. That’s what it gives that the earlier variants don’t. They are no match for planes like the P51 and Yak 3.

Like I said in the OP, the Fiat has 0 of these issues. The quad .50s shred planes, the 20mm is just an extra punch. It’s almost the same speed as the G-6, despite carrying a much better payload, and is also much more maneuverable than the G-6. The Fiat performs well, even in up-tier matches, since it turns so well and the 100kg bombs can handle heavy tanks.

Most importantly, like I said in the OP, the Fiat would outclass every other Fighter at BR III with ease. It out turns the P51s and P38s by a huge margin, out turns AND out runs both the Yak-9T and the La-5FN while also having a better payload than the La-5FN, out turns the Yak 3 despite the Yak 3 having no payload whatsoever, and will never fight any Japanese plane because they are allies. Hellcat and Yak-9k are not even on the store page anymore, let alone are they on the TT. It wouldn’t even be close. It would be head a shoulders above every other BR III Fighter.

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made nearly 2 months ago a suggestion which was forwarded to DEVs
hope they will add the 1 x 250kg instead of the 4 x 50kg :slight_smile: because for big boom
Changes to Bf 109 F-4/trop (buff) - Suggestions - Enlisted

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personally I prefer the 4x50kg, you can spread it out more for anti infantry, or you can reliably get two tanks instead of one with it.

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I can deal with 4 x 50kg, too

I hope they will buff it, soon™ :wink:

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If it were warthunder I would agree. But as this is enlisted

  • a small arena (Speed advantage has to be massive to be noticeable…slightly faster doesnt get you much)
  • lead indicators 1500 meteres
  • Aim bot AA
  • short rearm and respawn
  • very small render distance

… situationally, the G-6 isnt going to acheive anything the F1 wont already do…its not going to feel any different…you will fly the same, bomb the same, shoot the same (If you are in position to shoot, its over either way) once you have dropped your bombs and shot a plane or two, you are going to rearm anway. The G-6 is slightly more comfortable through more ammo …thats about it.

Better? sure…meaningfully better?..nah

Im not opposed to it being BR 3…it just simply wont change anything or offer anything better…I would rather the G-6 load out get modified to have a 30mm cannon, and 2x rockets or a 250KG bomb or something.

And thats not to mention there is stilll the 109 F4 and 109 G-2 that hasnt made it in game yet

I could list off half of the BR 2-3 planes for this. A great deal of these BR 2-3 planes perform just as well at BR 4 and 5

Fiat is a superb dogfighter…and while its 100KG bombs allow you to contribute its not oppressive CAS in anyway. its “okay”

Allies have planes that can out do the Fiat just fine, Spitfire, hellcat, heck even the Hurricane can have a pretty damn good go in the confined arena that is Enlsited. Ive even trapped fiats in a stall with the P-38. Might be nice for people to have to pick “counters” instead of p-38/mmmmmmustang spam

Now while it might have the edge in a dogfight against the soviets, thats not a bad thing…Nearly ALL Soviet Attackers out dogfight and out CAS all Axis attackers easily (and can easily tangle with fighters…cough IL 2 1941/su 2)…Considering Soviets have the clear advantage in CAS, Its not a bad thing for Axis to have an advantage in a single area on a single plane…and dogfighting is the least appreciated strength in Enlisted when not accompanied with potent CAS.

Currently, BR 3 soviet Airforce is cranked, Great CAS, Great fighters, Great Variety And one of the best premium fighters (yak 9k)…and when they face Japan in Manchuria, they are going to have bigger problems than the fiat (fighter wise)

Axis fighter tree is a little limp atm (lack of variety). Its got decent planes, but a whole line of 109s with minimal distinction, a whole line of Fw190s with broken flight models and lots of unarmed (ordnance) fighters

Italian planes are the flavour for AXIS, and offer characteristics the german planes just dont have (the same way commonwealth does for usa)

the Fiat g 55 Series 0 is the entry level Fiat…there are much better ones yet to be added

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It wont happen, but we can keep dreaming.

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I only see:
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Historically, it was possible.
And the allied counterpart “P-51D-5” is also equipped with two 500lb bombs :slight_smile:

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Yeah, darkflow does not give a shit about it so good luck changing their mind, I have been asking for around 2 years and they just keep going with the same shitty bombs.

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Yeah the G-6 is not br IV material, low ammo count, pathetic bomb load, outperformed by a good chunk of earlier tier with better armament allied fighters like the p 38, the P 51 C, P 51 D and others that I do not recall right now.