I think that having all BARs at BR3 is a bit redundant. It’s also kinda sad imo to have no american LMG until BR3.
Seeing as the first Thompson was moved to BR2 I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest moving the ‘obsolete’ gun into BR2 with other WW1 weapons.
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Also comparing it to the MG13, the second german LMG, it’s pretty similar. Got more shot deviation (38/39), more vertical recoil (28/41), less horizontal recoil (20/15), less ammo capacity (25/20) and sprints faster (50%/75%). It isn’t stronger than BR2 LMGs.
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you overlooked ADS speed, dispersion on move and reload speed, all of them are crucial for low BR MGs.
However should the stats I mentioned get nerfed to similar values as any other BR2, I see no reason not move BAR 1918 to BR2.
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How about no? BIG NO. BARs are the best LMGs of BR3 why would you buff already ultra powerful nation of BR2 even more?
Only first BAR could be downtiered after some nerfs but then Germany also need to get buffs and new weapons to BR2.
Taking A2 BAR to BR2 would make me to never want to play Germany ever again.
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Personally I think the DPM or MG34 are better, the BARA2 at least can compete well, but it isnt the best at all.
Not to mention the difference between the BAR and the BARA2 is light and day.
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MG13 is worse in few key areas: awful visual recoil which makes gun bounce around at random, bad hipfire accuracy, bad dispersion while moving, bad horizontal recoil (the most punishing recoil weapon can have on top of visual recoil), awful ADS speed and awful sprint factor for such low mag sized weapon, reload speed are velocity are also inferior.
BAR need nerfs as it’s vastly superior to BR2 LMGs and at same time MG13 need some buffs as it can’t keep up with maddness of overpowered Smgs like Uragan, M1A1 and PPS-42.
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If the bar 1918 was nerfed to be in line with br2 lmgs then it should be down tired.
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WW1 BAR was lighter than WW2 BARs, and as such should actually be the best out of the different versions with less dispersion - however WW1 Bar also had no bipod, because it was actually an automatic rifle, not a lmg.
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Who said A2 BAR?
Not sure why people are often confused by that.
In BR III there are three BARs. (which is stupid).
M1918BAR
BAR A1
BAR A2
I agree that the A2 is a great weapon. But no one is talking about the A2.
Everyone is referring to the first M1918BAR with no bipod. It sucks. Why people praise it I will never know. The vertical recoil makes it almost unuseable.
I agree it is similar to an MG13 and also agree we should have some lower BR American LMGs and higher BR British LMGs (eg Lewis gun)
There’s ZERO reason for this not to happen.
Also @Admiral_Wenli thank you. The BARA2 is a good weapon, but it’s not an LMG. The MG34 destroys enemies. All these fools saying a 20 round automatic rifle is the best LMG at BR III is crazy.
We should also mention the KE7 (a great weapon) and Type 96/Type 99. Those are the best top mounted mag LMGs in the game imo.
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The BARs are B-A-D. I’m tempted half the time to just take the Vickers-Berthier into BR III because it’s much better than the BAR. Less dispersion while moving too, and better area denial.
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IMOP for myself, the BAR A2 is the best in level three, and I use four BAR squads when I play level three. That being said, like I had read earlier there is night and day difference between the base BAR and the A2, and there is no reason the base BAR should not be dropped to level two. There is no one who would even consider using the base BAR at level three, and since the US does not have an MG at level two, I think the base one would be great. I only use four total MG’s in level two anyway as it is smg squad heavy so that is not going to tip the balance of power, at least for the way I play, but there is no reason a gun which will never be used at level three should not be dropped a level to where it will be used.
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Agreed
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I think the problem here is not that the United States does not have BR III machine guns, but that the BAR is not a machine gun, it is a combat rifle, as its acronym says. The solution is that the BAR was a BR III to IV combat rifle and that the USA would put a real machine gun (something that will not happen), but even so, the BAR is fine in its BR, at least that’s what I think.
Understandable sentiment, I personally prefer the A2 BAR over both the DPM and MG34, but I understand that it’s a personal preference. I think it’s great.
Oh dont get me wrong, I love the BARA2, but as a LMG its not great, I basically just use it as a heavy SMG. Which tbf it was often used as historically too so thats fitting.
The MG34 can be more clunky but it can lay down so much hate once its in position, the DPM is then a nice balance between the two.
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