Add the iconic Japanese Model 89 50mm Grenade Discharger

For more than a century, American troops have given a wide variety of nicknames to their own weapons, and also those of their enemies. During World War II, American troops in the Pacific Theatre created a nickname for a highly effective Japanese weapon that was a bit misleading.

us army illustration of of model 89 knee mortar firing position

A U.S. Army illustration of the standard firing position for the Model 89 Grenade Discharger — positioned at 45-degree angle with the gunner’s forward foot steadying the weapon’s base plate. Image: NARA

The G.I. and Marine moniker “Knee Mortar” was used to describe the Japanese Model 89 50mm Grenade Discharger, and Colonel Edson, the famous commander of the USMC Raiders in the Solomon Islands, summed up the errant nickname like this: “The name ‘Knee mortar’ is a misnomer. It is not fired from the knee. One of my men tried this and broke his leg.”

japanese soldier demonstrating use of knee mortar in world war ii

The standard firing position of the Japanese Model 89 Grenade Discharger used in World War II. Image: Author’s collection

As for the Japanese, they called it “Juteki”, and it was officially was designated “Hachikyu Shiki”. Whatever it was called, the Type 89 was deadly, particularly in jungle warfare.

Model 89

The Japanese had identified an important gap in the range of hand grenades and mortars. The Model 89 grenade discharger specifically addressed this gap and effectively dominated that space with a 1-lb., 12-oz. high explosive (HE) shell that provided a considerable blast effect. The standard Model 91 fragmentation grenade could also be fired when fitted with a propellant cylinder.

japanese soldiers firing knee mortar in china 1942

A Japanese soldier fires the Model 89 Grenade Discharger from the prone position in China, in 1942. An ammunition carrier stands by with two high explosive shells. Image: Courtesy of Edwin Libby

Encountered in all the major battles of the Pacific War, the Model 89 (1929) 50mm Grenade Discharger was a simple, easily portable, and highly effective weapon. It was carried as a complete unit in a cloth and leather case with a shoulder sling, ready to be brought quickly into action.

japanese model 89 grenade dischargers captured in alaska

Ready to be sent in for examination, a pair of Model 89 Grenade Dischargers captured on Attu during the Aleutian Islands Campaign against Japanese forces in Alaska, 1943. Image: NARA

Gunners normally carried at least eight high explosive rounds in cloth pouches on their waist belt, the weight of the ammunition supported by web suspenders. Three or four Model 89s were provided to the heavy weapons squad of each Japanese rifle platoon, and at least two ammunition carriers were assigned to support each grenade discharger.

japanese soldiers in china with knee mortars

A Japanese mortar squad at work in China with the Model 89 Grenade Dischargers. Image: Author’s collection

Even though the barrel of the Model 89 was short, the weapon was accurate because its bore was rifled and its HE shell was spin-stabilized in flight. While most mortars of the era used smooth tubes with fin-stabilized ammunition, the Type 89’s projectile engaged the rifling via a copper band at the base of the shell. The rifled bore was the prime reason for the heavy recoil of the grenade discharger — recoil strong enough to crush the leg bone of a user foolish enough to place the curved (concave) base plate on his leg. The “knee mortar” nickname may have come from the fact that the weapon was often used from the kneeling position, with the base plate pressed firmly into the ground with a forward foot.

Firing the Model 89

Operation of the Model 89 Heavy Grenade Discharger was straightforward, and with practice, a gunner could deliver highly accurate fire on prime targets like enemy machine gun positions.

captured model 89 knee mortar

A Model 89 and its high explosive shell that were captured by Allied forces in China during July 1944. Image: NARA

To fire, the gunner selected the range scale for the type of ammunition he was using — either the Model 91 fragmentation grenade or the Model 89 HE shell. Then, the gunner placed the base plate on the ground and pointed the barrel towards the target, using the 6” red or white line painted in a channel along the length of the barrel’s exterior. The safety pin was removed from either the grenade or shell, and the projectile was placed carefully in the muzzle.

japanese knee mortar captured on cape glouster

The earlier Model 10 Grenade Discharger was still in use throughout the war. This example is seen after capture on Cape Gloucester in early 1944. Image: NARA

Holding the muzzle of the discharger firmly with one hand, the base plate was pushed into the ground, and bracing the base plate with one foot, the kneeling gunner adjusted the angle of the discharger with the ground to a normal 45 degrees, checked his sighting, pulled the lanyard, and fired the discharger.

japanese knee mortar on iwo jima

The “Knee Mortar” was a popular souvenir, like this example with USAAF troops on Iwo Jima in the summer of 1945. Image: NARA

Combat ranges were normally short enough for the gunner to observe the fall of the round and adjust his fire accordingly. Accurate range for the spin-stabilized Model 89 HE shell was from 130 to about 700 yards. When using the Model 91 hand grenade (with a propellant cylinder), range was shortened, from 40 to 200 yards, but accuracy remained good.

model 10 vs model 89 knee mortarts

The original Model 10 grenade discharger compared with its more advanced counterpart, the Model 89. Image: Author’s collection

A lesser-known advantage of the Model 89 discharger is that it could be used as a low-angle, direct-fire weapon — angled as low as 15 degrees from the horizontal. In this mode, if the path to the target was clear the Model 89 shell was particularly effective. However, if the target was obscured by foliage, the Model 89’s impact fuse would detonate prematurely. The Model 91 used a seven-second time fuse, and would not be affected by such obstructions. There were multiple types of ammunition for the Type 89, including high explosive, fragmentation, incendiary, smoke, and some signal flares.

japanese knee mortar being fired

A terrible mistake waiting to happen. The “Knee Mortar” had vicious recoil, strong enough to snap the bones in a leg. Image: NARA

Some Model 89 Grenade Dischargers were equipped with a “bubble” leveling device on their barrels to help the gunner determine the 45-degree firing angle, and these were first encountered by American troops in the battle for Attu in the Aleutian Islands. An important advantage offered by the Japanese grenade discharger was that it was aimed and fired after the projectile had been placed in its barrel. Most mortars used a stationary firing pin at the base of the tube, firing the round as gravity carried the ammunition down the barrel — but also creating the chance of a dangerous “hang fire”.

American Advocates

During jungle fighting the dense overhead foliage often made the use of standard mortars undesirable or even dangerous to friendly troops. In the Solomon Islands campaign, American troops quickly found that the Model 89 grenade discharger gave the Japanese a firepower advantage in close-quarter actions. In fact, several U.S. commanders sought to create an American-equivalent.

us marines training with model 89 knee mortar

A USMC enemy weapons familiarization class at Camp Elliot during 1943. The Model 89 could be fired in the “direct fire” mode over short ranges. Image: NARA

U.S. Army Lt. Colonel John George, who commanded a company on Guadalcanal, and who later fought with Merrill’s Marauders in Burma, commented in his memoir “Shots Fired in Anger” :

We would make contact; first a few rifle shots would be fired by the scouts and possibly one or two automatic weapons bursts would be exchanged. Then, without delay, we would begin to hear the blasts of those damn knee-mortars — grenade explosions, on the trail behind or amongst us. It was annoying as hell.

We tried to counter it, of course, using materials at hand. We had to do something to enable our platoons to fire back at the knee-mortars. Several methods were tried and all of them gave some measure of success but, in the long run, none were practical or economical as would have been the adoption of an American knee-mortar with matched grenades.”

british soldier with knee mortar in burma

A Model 89 Grenade Discharger captured in Burma during early 1945. Image: NARA

Colonel Merritt Edson, initially commander of the 1st Marine Raider Battalion, and later the commander of the 5th Marine Regiment, had considerable experience fighting Japanese troops in the Solomon Islands. He had this to say about the Type 89 Grenade Discharger in his 1943 report on the fighting on Guadalcanal:

We need the knee mortar badly. The following are reasons in its favor:

  1. It is a one-man load.
  2. A man can carry ten rounds on his person besides his weapon.
  3. It has a high rate of fire.
  4. It gives to the Platoon Commander a weapon of this type which is immediately available to him.
  5. This mortar uses the Jap all-purpose hand grenade, with ranges 50 to 65 yards. I believe the Japs have three (3) of these mortars in a Mortar Squad in each Rifle Platoon. They have two ammunition carriers per mortar.
  6. It can be lowered to a low angle and placed against a log and shot straight out further than a hand grenade.

I would recommend one change in the projectile. The Japs have too much high explosive in the projectile and the case is too thin. We get a lot of casualties from it, but they are minor wounds.”

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Colonel Edson and many other proponents of a “knee mortar” design for the U.S. troops were not to get their wish. Instead, U.S. Army Ordnance was soon to provide the M1 2.36 Rocket Launcher, the Bazooka. In 1944, the greatly improved M2 Flamethrower became available. These weapons combined to give American troops a firepower advantage, particularly as the fighting began to move to islands closer to the Japanese homeland.

model 89 and other captured japanese gear on iwo jima

U.S. Marines with a Model 89 knee mortar and other items captured on Iwo Jima. Image: NARA

Even so, I wonder if Edson’s thoughts about the Type 89 Grenade Discharger may have lingered in the minds of U.S. Ordnance men. When I originally proposed this article, The Armory Life editors immediately thought of America’s post-WWII development of the simple but highly effective M79 Grenade Launcher.

us marine with m79 in vietnam

Influenced by the knee mortar of World War II, the US M79 Grenade Launcher proved extremely useful to U.S. troops in Vietnam and beyond. Image: NARA

Perhaps the U.S. Army’s “Project Niblick” in 1961 harkened back to 1943 — as the U.S. military sought to increase infantry firepower with a weapon more portable than a mortar but with greater range and accuracy than rifle grenades. Ultimately, the 40mm M79 Grenade Launcher gave American troops the ability to cover the important intermediate range, between the range of hand grenades and the long reach of artillery.

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how to add, a higher rate of fire or in a special squad with more mortar men. maybe make it an assault mortar squad with smgs and mortars. give them a more direct fire mode like grenade launchers. give them fire grenades like a buildable ussr weapon.

Type 89 58mm H.E. Mortar

Weight of complete round: 1.6 lbs
Weight of main charge: 5.4 oz
Explosive Components:
-Main charge: TNT
-Propellant: Nitrocellulose diphenylamine flaked powder.
Overall length: (w/o fuze): 4.33 inches
Maximum diameter: 50mm

Color:

  1. Black overall with red band at nose, and
    -A. A yellow band below the bourrelet and white band forward of rotating band
    -B. Yellow band midway on the shell
    2.Maroon color overall for Navy use
    3.Green nose, black body with yellow and white bands.

Fuzing:
-Type 88 small instantaneous fuze

Used in:
-Type 89 grenade discharge

Description:
The body of this shell is made of three parts.
-The propellant base housing houses the propellant container and the percussion primer.
-The main shell base cover is threaded to the top section on one end and to the propellant housing on the other.
-The top section has an opening in the top to receive the fuze.
On firing, the gases generated blow through the ports in the base housing, expanding the copper rotating into the rifling of the discharger giving a gas seal and imparting rotating to the seal.

Remarks:
The Navy version of this shell is exactly the same in construction as the Army version the only variation being in the color scheme, Two minor variations of construction have been found.

  1. The nose portion screws on (LH) the body directly below the bourrelet. The base is solid instead of being closed with base plate.
  2. Similar to the first variation except the threads are right hand (RH).

I believe this entry is a typo and should read 50mm rather than 58mm

Type 95 50mm Smoke Mortar

Weight of complete round: 1.9 lbs
Weight of smoke filling: 3.7 oz
Filler:
-Smoke compound: Hexachlorethane smoke mixture
-Propellant: Nitrocellulose diphenylamine flaked powder.
Overall length (w/o fuze): 4.33 inches
Maximum diameter: 50mm

Color:
Black overall with a red band at the nose and two white bands, one immediately below the bourrelet and the other before the rotating band.

Fuzing:
-Type 89 small time fuze

Used in:
-Type 89 grenade discharger

Description:
The projectile casing is of forged steel. The nose screws onto the main body at a point just behind the bourrelet. The main body is joined to the base with a press-fit held by four screw shear pins. The propellant base housing which screws onto the shell base is similar in construction and operation to that of the H.E. shell. The smoke mixture is held in a brass can inside the main body and has attached to it by a short cord a steel retarder cup to slow its decent.

Operation:
When the fuze gaine fires, it ruptures the thin plate in the base of the gaine, ignites the smoke mixture, and expels the smoke candle from the shell casing.

Type 89 50mm Incendiary Mortar

Weight of complete round: 1.25 lbs
Weight of incendiary mixture: 10.7 oz
Filling: Incendiary Mixture:
-Potassium nitrate: 47.7%
-Aluminium: 21.7%
-Antimony trisulphide: 6.1%
-Wax: 2.8%
Propellant: Nitrocellulose powder
Overall length: 6.25 inches
Length of propellant containers: 1.25 inches
Diameter propellant container: 1.02 inches
Maximum diameter: 50mm

Color:
Natural brass body with black propellant container

Fuzing:
Powder delay train

Used in:
-Type 89 grenade discharger

Description:
The shell is a cylindrical sheet metal tube with a hemispherical nose and is covered with clear lacquer. Around the side of the casing are four silver-foil disks, each disc covering seven ports in the shell casing. The casing is crimped over the base, which contain two black powder delay trains and is threaded to receive the propelleant housing. The propellant housing is of steel with six gas escape ports in the sides and a percussion cap set in the screwed in base. The propellant is contained in a copper cup inside the propellant housing.

Operation:
The flash from the propellant ignites the delay trains in the base of the shell, which in turn ignite the incendiary filling.

Remarks:
Another incendiary shell, the Type 10 year, is similar in appearance and operation to the Type 89 shell. It is 5 and 7/8 inches in length; the color of the body is natural brass; and the propellant assembly is black. There are eight sets of perforations covered with silver-foil disks. The Type 10 year shell is fired from the Type 10 year grenade discharger, an obsolete weapon that was the forerunner of the Type 89 grenade discharger.

50mm Finned Bangalore Torpedo
http://michaelhiske.de/Allierte/USA/TManual/9_1985_5/Chap04/Section04/FIG_327.HTM

I’m unsure if this is a printing error or if there is no visual documentation of the item.

Weight of complete round: 8.11kg
Weight of main charge: 2.87kg
Main charge: Picric
Overall length (w/o fuze): 78.37 inches
Base section length: 33.25 inches
Length from after end of base to forward bearing surface of base section: 12.75 inches
Maximum diameter of explosion tube: 50mm

Fins:
-Length: 14.75 inches
-Maximum width: 3.5 inches
-Minimum width: 2.5 inches

Color:
Fins and bangalore section are painted tan with a red band at the top of each section. The modified portion of the base section is painted black.

Fuzing:
-Instantaneous delay fuze for bagalore mortar

Used in:
-Type 98 discharger

Description:
The projectile is constructed in two sections. The nose section is a standard bangalore length, while the base section is a bangalore length cut off and modified to fit into the barrel of the discharger. This section also has three spot-welded brackets to which the sheet metal fins are bolted. A cap, having two circumferential grooves cut into it to divide the surface into three after bearing surfaces, is welded around the after end of the base section. A length of 50mm tubing is welded to the base section and serves as a forward bearing surface for the projectile. A plate is welded to the bangalore base section to prevent the bangalore from sliding too far down into the launcher tube.

50mm Stick Charges

(SM) Small (LA) Large
Weight of complete round: (SM) 15.62 lbs - (LA) 17 lbs
Weight of main charge: (SM) 7 lbs - (LA) 10 lbs
Explosive components:
-Main charge: (SM) Picric - (LA) Picric
-Propellant: (SM) Black Powder - (LA) Black Powder
Overall length: (SM) 27.35 inches - (LA) 25.5 inches
Length of explosive container: (SM) 6.75 inches - (LA) 4.5 inches
Width of explosive container: (SM) 4.5 inches - (LA) 6.25 inches
Height of explosive container: (SM) 4.5 inches - (LA) 6.25 inches
Wall thickness: (SM) 0.05 inches - (LA) 0.25 inches
Diameter of stick: (SM) 50mm - (LA) 50mm

Color:
The metal explosive container is painted black, while the wooden “stick” is left unpainted. The large model has a white stripe fore and aft around the explosive box.

Used in:
Type 98 discharger

Fuzing:
Two pull igniters

Description:
The projectile consists of a cast iron box containing blocks of picric acid mounted on a wooden pole 50mm in diameter. Two pull igniters are inserted in the bursting charge and are tied to metal loops on each side of the launcher tube collar. When the projectile is fired these pull igniters are initiated and will in turn set off the bursting charge after a short delay. The black powder propellant in silk bags is placed in the launcher tub below and independently of the projectile. The propellant is fired by a pull igniter inserted in the ignition aperture in the side of the launcher tube.

It’s the default japanese mortar

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my bad must have slipped over it, not a big mortar fan if you can tell. well at least not they have a few more ammo options lol, no imfdb you failed my lol
add 1921
model 10 vs model 89 knee mortarts

dude dont even bother with suggestions if you’re going to do 0 research

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I would look it it up if I could without opening the game going to that nations tech tree, closing the game. Then repeating that every time I want to make a suggestion, so you can shhhh if you have a problem. Or I’ll do that when every post from you is not trying to have Germany keep up with ussr while power creeping the US. I use enlisted imfdb which most of the time works if you can figure out what it’s listed as.

just play the game in windowed mode and alt-tab, its not that hard, if thats still not enough to satisfy your daily suggestion quota then I suggest reducing your daily suggestion quota

So whatoutisn does it only count if the statement is not true, should I look for a thread you started or post in support of power creeping the1941 Johnson by moving the g43 to br3. Yes the Johnson is stronger then the g41 yes the g,43 is stronger then the 1941 Johnson. You can’t fix g41 vs Johnson or svt38 by breaking it with the g43.

I’m on a console I can’t just keep multiple programs open in order to keep a game open. I can’t open any other games, also console can’t window mode. Besides how does it hurt you, oh no they suggested a thing already in the game my heart my pulls

because your garbage suggestions that pretty much are regurgitated wikipedia articles drown out the good suggestions other people make

And if those constituted more the half the posts I would feel bad.
Please let me faction power creep my enemies
Please make the event easier
Please let me buy legacy squads
This tiny detail is not historically accurate
Please add more assaulters/mg soldiers to make my squad as op as the most premium squad
Please add assault rifles to every br
Please remove prototype weapons balance what’s that
Please unnerf game killing weapons like ap mines and impact grenades
Please nerf dynamite into the ground so tanks might leave the grey zone
Ect e t ect, if I am diluting good ideas it puts me in the majority not the minority

I I see one person that wants five assaulters as part of the standard 7 assaulter squad I will scream
Please lect all gurellias have rifles and assault rifles

I liked this in Red Orchestra Rising Sun.

Such a meme, yet powerful, weapon.

suggestion for your post: Shorten it up a bit? I feel it’s so long, that most ppl won’t bother reading it…

I Apologize no I mean it I can get lazy when even good ideas are all but ignored for popular fights. One someone already pointed it out so it did not need to be said, two the venom was not needed. Not that I have not fallen into it this site can really become us vs them

okay apology accepted, I really think you should keep your suggestions short and concise, elaborate what stats they would have ingame, why the game would be better off with it

a photo of a gun and its irl history doesnt mean much for enlisted, how would it fit into the existing game balance?

besides getting more interest from fellow players, it would also entice the developers more to consider it

Thank you clear concise and constructive argument, oww my pride. Yes I need to cut down brevity is the peak of wit. Yes a link a picture and maybe a blurb is enough which for the most part I do. I will in the future try to be more clear and concise myself and balance pasted content with original. May we cross swords in the future or even better find a point of agreement

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Thank you for your post, Krieger, I do think this weapon needs more attention. It’s true. Is the same one we have in game for Japan. Yet it’s unique feature which allows being fired at 45 degrees angle is missing. If it ever were incorporated it should work close to a RMN-50 but having to lay prone to fire it, similar to how they introduced this new mechanic with the Solothurn AT rifle, which it could be incorporated to the type 89 as an alternative way of firing it. Or using the current mortar aiming mechanic and making it fire forward. It should have a pronounced ballistic curve. With a fair drawback of the reload time and being exposed crouched/prone to fire it that way.

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insightful clever and to the point thank you for responding to my post. i think we need to add versatility to the weapons we have along with new content. the burst function of the event federov makes it more than just another br5 copy paste. adding vehicle with new ammo could be a way to add depth to the already incredible breath of weapons.