A way to add the T34 into moscow and fix the T50 problem!

[US_Matt_LT]

For context i am mostly an axis main, having spent 7 days playing moscow axis. I enjoy playing tanks. But with tanks it is getting boring. As a WT player, these tank fight have become quite boring. Even the T50 is not hard to take down in my PZ3J. I want to fight T34, it was so iconic, and many took place in the moscow counterattack.

In my opinion, in a game where there is no challenge - the game is not fun, but where there is a hard won victory, then we have fun.

But a lot of people struggle against T50. We know that sooner or later the T34 will come. And when that day comes, it will be a massacre.

So i have been studying WTs protection analysis, and actually playing with these tanks, that i know how to get rid of the powercreep, and introduce these iconic beasts.

So we will need to look at the German tank tree for moscow.
We have:
PZII
PZIIIB
PZIIIE
PZ4E
PZ3J
PZ4F1

With the new layout. (Some unlocks will give you 2 tanks, and you can chose which fits your playstyle)

1. lvl1 PZIIIE or PZII (these would not be able to deal with the T34 or T50. but that is normal for starter tanks)

lvl 7: Panzerjager I ( the Pnzerjager would have a 47mm gun and would be sufficient in killing the T34, same weakspots as PZ3J)

3 lvl12 PZ3J. (This tank can deal with the T34, but needs practice.) Weakspots would be Turret cheeks, and sides)

Turret cheeks:

Will kill gunner and loader, knock out turret ring

Lower hull

Will destroy transmision, kill the driver, and might kill machinegunner. hard spot to hit.

Under the main gun

Will kill everyone in the turret, destroy turret ring. After that the T34 will be mostly defenses to flanking or another hit

Anywhere on the side will penetrate.
This spot will kill the entire crew

Lvl22 PZ4E
Will have a tough time, but not too difficult. If any shot will penetrate, the tank will most likely be dead.
Mostly this spot will be the best:

Tank will most likely die

And anywhere on the sides.

Lvl29 PZ3J/1

With a long barreled 50mm gun this tank will have no problem against T34.

Same spots as PZ3J but more room for error. + you have more options

ball machinegun

lower hull. Very easy to hit:

Drivers hatch (I dont trust this one we all know that the drivers hatch is a black hole)

And many more spots!

lvl34 PZ4F1 or STUG III A
Same spots as PZ4E

And mystery level. ( I would say 38)
lvl38 PZ3L
The heavily armored PZ3 variant with the same gun as PZ3J/1. But the Armor is better
With a bit of angling it will withstand T34 shells.

Note that all these tanks will still be AT a disatvantage. But it will be a lot more fair. + Germany has its dive bombers.

Now i would also change up the allied tank game.
lvl1 T60 or T26 or T26-4 (with a 76mm gun)

lvl7: SU5-1 (give it more ammo that 6 shells)

lvl12: BT7 or T50 - A more mobile tank vs a more sluggish but more armored tank

lvl22: T28(1938) APHEBC shell

lvl29: T34(1940)

Lvl34: T28E or T35

Lvl38 (maybe)
T34 (1941)

This is MY opinion, you are free to share yours.

[_mortebianca]

the only way to fix the UPness of germany in moscow is adding a MAUS, nothing else can save that campaign from the mighty and unpentrable T50.

[CRO_SkyGuard]

The Pz. II can pen the early T-34 from the front, why people think it will be indestructible I really dont know but its funny

I hate the T-50 in enlisted it has 0 anti infantry capability I prefer the T-28E.

[Knyaz_Iaroslav]

Good idea, but mine was simpler.
True, it would spoil the mood for fans of tanks and additional slots, but still.

Some ideas about OP tanks,planes.Reward for destroying tanks

There are strong differences in the game between the starting and last tanks, between the first and last bomber (not as strong differences as between tanks).This is both good and bad. There are also differences between tanks of similar levels on both sides. The Germans do not like jumbo, which does not break through frontally, even similar in level to PZ 4 H. Americans complain about the panther, which is a stronger German version of jumbo. The Germans in Moscow complain about the T50, which…

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@UsMatelisLT

Panzerjager I

yeah add an open top TD, bruh

Also a T-34 will be much better than the T-50. I would exchange the 76mm gun with T-50s armor any day

[US_Matt_LT]

Same feelings. Even a 37mm gun can penetrate the T34 turret cheeks. But not a high chance.

I use the BT7 instead of the T28E or T50.

More nimble, fast, easy to avoid explosion pack, fast turret traverse

[Knyaz_Iaroslav]

@CRO_SkyGuard

I hate the T-50 in enlisted it has 0 anti infantry capability

For 5 tank,yes.
But 2 dt better,than 1 dt t-26\bt7.
But DT arent MG… PZ 3B in this better.

[CRO_SkyGuard]

ZiS-30 danger tractor needs to be added

[US_Matt_LT]

I want to introduce my molotov to Panzerjager I and SU 1-5

On a serious note you can chose to not use them.

[US_Matt_LT]

Slow turret traverse on T50 makes the 2 DT machineguns worse than 1 on a BT7

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@UsMatelisLT

On a serious note you can chose to not use them.

True, but why even add them? For example the TDs in Berlin are useless, just fillers which increase the grind with zero benefit

[Knyaz_Iaroslav]

Nope.
In gray zone turret speed no matter.
But in close,yes,bt 7 more fun for close.

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@Knyaz_Iaroslav

In gray zone turret speed no matter.

imagine camping in the grey zone

[Knyaz_Iaroslav]

In your grey zone

[CRO_SkyGuard]

[Knyaz_Iaroslav]

I dont camp in grey zone,dont worry.

[gastanofrizzi]

@CRO_SkyGuard

why people think it will be indestructibl

Answer: german main do german main

[Winter_Storm]

maybe the 1942 t-34 could be better since it’s got the big neck but the panzer 4f2 would definitely be a good counter to it and the KV-1

[CRO_SkyGuard]

That thing would be much better than the early varaints and harder to deal with, the neck is very small on it.

[US_Matt_LT]

Yea, there is no turret cheek that is a massive weakspot and easy to hit.

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